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Would The Voice Stop The Vice?

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Dear Foxy,

"If Black problems in this country keep on trying to
be solved by white people in positions of power -
then nothing will change."

To borrow from Marcia Langton, to deconstruct the arguments of Yes proponents, one finds them founded on the principles of "them and us" and "we were here first". I am concerned that these are also principles shared with people opposed to immigration and multiculturalism.

As I believe in the equality of human beings, I think your comment quite silly. If you want to solve a problem you are more likely to do so with 100% of you brain than with 3% of it.
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 30 September 2023 10:50:18 AM
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Foxy,
I'd have liked to hear 'where' you experienced all this enlightenment because if it was in libraries, Unis & books I'm afraid that whatever you believe you learnt does not offer you any insight into the reality of it all.
This has been the crux of the problem all along, open-mouthed, wide-eyed academic hangers-on have never been exposed to daily life in remote communities. Short stints for a Thesis & writing their opinin is not experiencing real life !
Posted by Indyvidual, Saturday, 30 September 2023 11:05:17 AM
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Fester,

I'm trying to make sense out of a complex situation and
frankly I think that us insulting each other and
getting on with personal labels only makes the situation
worse.

Perhaps the words some use are done out of sheer frustration.
However, if we are honest we as non-Indigenous people often
don't know how we should address social inequity that the
Indigenous have.

Indigenous leaders, scholars, activists and community
members have spent decades suggesting solutions to
problems in this country. These still have not been implemented.
For years Aboriginal communities have called for appropriate
representation in government.

The Voice could potentially represent the views of Indigenous
communities and hopefully assist in informing policy and
legal decisions that impact their lives.

The reason the problems continue and our Indigenous voices
are not listened to I suspect is because people in power and
the wide (whiter) community continues to benefit from it.

It's time to at least try something new. And surely as a
nation we're mature enough to give it a go?
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 30 September 2023 11:10:42 AM
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Indyvidual,

I don't owe you further explanations. You are
being intrusiv and I suspect looking for an
argument but I shall be polite and say -

We learn from the study of history. From archival
records, From listening to oral histories of
people's lived experiences, from meeting and
talking to people, from visiting their communities.
My brother was a school principal in regional NSW.
Another brother lives in Queensland. We travelled
around Australia.

In any case - you will simply have to take my word
for the fact that I did learn a great deal on my
journey and that I did find it worthwhile.

If you don't believe me - that frankly is your problem.
It's been my journey - from which I've benefited. And what
you accept or don't is up to you. Today - there's so much
information that is accessible and available for people
to learn the truth. They simply have to be willing to
search in order to get the bigger picture and not just
one based on limited experiences in small isolated
communities and regions.

Each community is different with different set of problems.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 30 September 2023 11:25:07 AM
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Fester and Indyvidual,

Just vote NO. There is nothing to be gained by arguing with maniacal, Leftist ideologues.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 30 September 2023 11:26:01 AM
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Again with the insults and labeling.

That's all some can come up with.

Sad really.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 30 September 2023 11:45:43 AM
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