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Do you need to be sophisticated? The Dark Emu debate continues.
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Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 30 July 2023 1:08:48 PM
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Langton and Mayo want the benefits of Western society without cost and live as a superior class of overlords living off the rent paid by the colonial workers. It is a Feudal system of overlords, like communism.
They claim Australia went to war and the aboriginals lost, but the elite are still weeping, claiming oppression, and must be given back their lands, waters, and beaches. Paul and Foxy are all for this future. Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 30 July 2023 1:21:44 PM
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Poor Josephus,
Just because you continue to repeat things does not make them true. You need to come up with better arguments. Your posts imply a lack of comprehension on your part and an inability to engage in high-level thinking. You need to improve your style. Keep on trying. I'm sure you can do better. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 30 July 2023 1:33:39 PM
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This is an hour long discussion about Pascoe and related matters, so most will give it a pass...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDik61GZkcI The participants are Blainey and Warren Mundine (who will vote 'no' and is therefore, according to Foxy, a bum). Just some of the highlights..... 1. Mundine points out that aboriginal culture is full of stories about their imagined past. I seem to recall many of aboriginal apologists here swooning over aboriginal stories as valid history. Mundine points out that he's never met any aboriginal in his own or any other mob who knows of any 'historic' stories about townships or villages of 1000 people. Nor granaries. Nor any of the other fantasies that Pascoe comes up with. If people are going to rely on aboriginal stories as history, then the lack of stories about some claim or other should also be relied up. 2. Mundine worked for 9 years in the Native Title Service, one function of which was to check claimed aboriginal credentials. He says they never once came across a situation where a person's claimed aboriginality couldn't be proven or disproven one way or t'other. He finds Pascoe's claims of being aboriginal without proof to be a fantasy. 3. Mundine points out that, despite claims that there were no or few wars between groups, aboriginal stories are replete with tales of wars. Whatismore, aboriginal lore has all sorts of rules pertaining to war and its conduct, which would be strange in a society where wars were few. 4. Mundine says that, in his talks with ordinary aboriginal groups (ie not the vocal elite) he finds them to be very unhappy with the whole Dark Emu movement on the basis that it creates fantasies to try to elevate aboriginal society to be the equivalent of Europeans. He calls it racist. Much more at the link.... Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 30 July 2023 2:34:27 PM
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Warren Mundine is a failed political strategist.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 30 July 2023 3:14:14 PM
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Blainey argued against the "Black Armband view of history."
No more needs to be said. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 30 July 2023 3:19:06 PM
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http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/marcia-langton-a-key-architect-of-the-voice-to-parliament-details-plans-to-compensate-aboriginal-people-and-return-stolen-land/ar-AA1exlOp?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=79bd228de283403eb90e2a14c9de4d61&ei=13
"Marcia Langton - a key architect of the Voice to Parliament - details plans to 'compensate' Aboriginal people and return 'stolen land'
Thomas mayo listed 'all the things we imagine when we demand' a Voice, including 'reparations, land back, abolishing harmful colonial institutions'.
Teela Reid, a lawyer, Wiradjuri woman and public speaker, also once described the proposal to change the constitution as a 'journey with all Australians to demolish the systems that continue to oppress us'.
Ms Reid has said she is 'concerned by the conservatism of [her] profession' and urged lawyers across Australia to support the Voice in a wide-ranging interview on YouTube.
She also called for strong activism she likened to the push for communism in the 1970s.
In newly unearthed tweets from 2019, Ms Reid said: 'Aboriginal people built the nation and now it's time you pay rent.'
In January this year, Ms Reid demanded 'every Aboriginal elder in NSW should be living rent-free'.
She said such action was the 'bare minimum this state has to offer given the displacement and dispossession'.
Mr Mayo said a 'guaranteed representative body' was 'needed [to]... properly pursue the rent that is owed and an abolishment of systems that harm us.
'A constitutionally enshrined Voice is important to establish to use the truth to support treaty negotiations.'
Mr Mayo has since told Daily Mail Australia he is now of the understanding a Voice will 'focus on practical issues that matter to Indigenous communities such as better employment outcomes and housing'.