mhaze,

Should I use the mhaze translator via the CIA, and get a different result, is that what you want me to do? No, I'll leave that up to you, the 'Useful Idiot' and all round American toady. Your evidence that China had 1.5 to 2 million Covid deaths in the first quarter 2023 is rater flimsy at best You start with an unsubstantiated reference to state cremations in a minor province of China. which may or may not be true, then you extrapolate from that a figure to cover the whole of China, and then stretch it to claim it as Covid deaths in all China. Your evidence wouldn't stand up in court.

p/s As a devout Trumpster, you claimed Covid was no more than a minor irritant, a bit of a sniffle. You and your man The Dangerous Doctor Donald claimed it could be remedied with a dose of 'Pine-O-Clean! Now you are claiming it killed millions of Chinese this year alone. I tell you who was responsible for millions of deaths, it was your man The Dangerous Doctor Donald through his incompetence in dealing with the pandemic in America.

Anyway, I'm going fishing this morning for fish not Chinese!

Paul,

You really don't have a clue about what's happening in China and are so busy kissing Xi's arse that all you can do is troll.

Of course, both sides lie, for their own reasons.

China has clearly lied about the number of Covid deaths which have been somewhere around 20 times greater than the official admitted death rate. Those who have been able to look clearly at this have known about the massive underreporting for several years. I recall writing in these pages back in 2020 that, even then, China was underreporting its death toll by orders of magnitude.

Then again, the US has also been misreporting its numbers from the outset also. New information coming out of the CDC and several other agencies shows that the US overreported its Covid deaths by about 30%.

How? Well they had a policy of reporting anyone who died within 30 days of getting the dreaded Chinese virus as a Covid death. On further consideration they've now come to understand that that was hopelessly wrong.

Why? Well firstly hospitals received higher payments for handling a Covid patient. But primarily because they needed to exaggerate the pandemic in order to get Trump. As we know, the need to defeat the working-class revolt led by Trump meant that all issues of ethics and good governance could be ditched.

My point in initially raising the Chinese deception was just to show that we really can't trust any number coming from CCP unless it can be independently verified. But it pays to remember that we can't always trust the numbers coming out of western governments either. Remember how the Commonwealth Games were going to cost a mere $2.6billion? Were the people who invented that number lying or incompetent? We'll probably never know.

mhaze,

What you say is basically true, as I said previously China will lie for political reasons, America will also lie for the same reasons, both for internal and international consumption. The war in Ukraine, like all wars, this war is massively exaggerated by All sides, "Truth is the first causality of war".

Hey shadowminister
"You really don't have a clue about what's happening in China and are so busy kissing Xi's arse that all you can do is troll."

You get your info from people who don't live there and who are not friends of China, so what do you expect?

The input controls the output.
If your input is from China haters what do you think the output will be you muppet?

How Bad is the Chinese Economy? Walk Through Shanghai Reveals Truth
http://youtu.be/i_sl-8cgA1g

This American has been living there for 25 years.
"If you want to find out what China is really like in 2023, then this is the video for you"

AC you are full of it.

Most of the information I get is sourced from official Chinese statistics and publications and people that live and work in China and certainly not from sources that are "unfriendly" to China, and for anyone following international news and business, none of this is new.