mhaze,

You being a devout Trumpster, and a sycophantic American toady, can you point to the figure of 171000 cremations in your "document" supplied. While you are at it, supply the name of the person who prepared it in the first instance. Could it have been a case of "fat finger" by some Chinese public servant? Don't know. Maybe that's why they took it down, have you considered the "document" may have been incorrect in the first place. Don't know. Being a devout Trumpster and sycophantic America toady, you can't bring yourself to questioning any American propaganda.

I'm not entirely sure he's even really a Trump supporter at heart.
He seems more like a Republican rino supporter.
More aligned with the ideologies of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham than Trump.
Trump would never have wanted war with Russia, and he probably isn't too keen on Ukraine either.

Paul, clueless as usual, writes: "can you point to the figure of 171000 cremations in your "document" supplied".

The last line on the document's table reads (in translation):

Column 1 - "Number of cremated remains"
Column 2 - "in 10,000"
Column 3 - 17.1

FYI 17.1 x 10,000 = 171000.

Paul calls it American propaganda. Somehow those wascally yanks convinced the Chinese to post propaganda on their own website.

AC writes: "He seems more like a Republican rino supporter."

Not the slightest evidence for that...but we all know AC and evidence are mutually exclusive.

Yep, a Trump supporter from wayback. But not the fable Trump that people like Paul imagines, but instead the actual Trump and the MAGA policies. The Trump that sought to extract the US from all foreign engagements, bring jobs and manufacturing back to north America and to champion the cause of the US working class of all colours. Paul et al won't understand that

mhaze,

You are not telling the complete truth are you, you altered what is written in second column to read "10,000" when the wording is "10,000 tools". Just out of interest why would the Chinese refer to "tools" and not bodies or corpses. Could it have been a draft copy incorrectly prepared by some minor functionary, and accidentally posted. You still can not name who was the instigator of the "document", all you have is an Irish newspaper report. Anyone can fake a document, even the bumbling fools at the CIA.

Paul,

Oh you did workout how to do translations. But only when it suits, it seems.

Use a different translator and get a different result. I showed you reports from the NYT and an Irish paper which you assiduously avoided. But there are dozens of other reports on the same issue. Whatismore, its been pointed out that this calculation using this leaked information is just one of many different calculations using different criteria which all come to the conclusion that the death toll was in the 1.5-2 million mark. And (and please sit down for this!!) not all of them are from the US!! But the CCP says differently and that's all that matters to Paul.

"The Trump that sought to extract the US from all foreign engagements, bring jobs and manufacturing back to north America and to champion the cause of the US working class of all colours."

No disagreements there.

I'm staying out of the chinese covid discussion.
I think the world would be a better place if the world stopped it's gang mentality and individual nations stayed out of others internal affiairs, with an exception that if an issue negatively impacts other nations, then they have a right and a duty to their own citizens to address it.

As far as covid deaths in China are concerned I hope they were minimised as much as possible and the lockdowns were not imposed more than what was necessary.
- And that people had their own choice to take an untested vaccine or not themselves.
But I know that's probably not true, but we didn't get things right either.
- Probably no country did.

I was more opposed to the vaccine, than the lockdowns.
I never even considered taking the vaccine, and may have chosen imprisonment over taking it had I had to make that choice.

But the lockdowns I accepted as at least somewhat necessary, but I always held the opinion that lockdowns within the country were a failure of our leaders to quarantine our country from an external contagion in the first instance.

The way they put infected up in hotels with shared ventilation systems in the capital cities was ludicrous, and an accident waiting to happen.