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Stan Grant quits Q&A over racism concerns.

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What a churlish and graceless take.
SteeleRedux,
Sadly, you are of the crowd that condones the notion of two Wrongs making a Right !
Stan’s exit was a well planned choreographed tactic in the hope that it will gain him sympathy support when he starts his climb to politics using the the momentum of the Voice movement as the vehicle !
Your criticism is proof that integrity is pushed aside by opportunism to feign indignation !
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 25 May 2023 7:06:43 PM
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Hello Graham,

I don't know if using my post is the best way to try and find (and highlight) racism in this circumstance, as a person can feel like their post is being used to push someone else's agenda, but what you do is up to yourself.

Those making the degrading comments so far, for me quite a bit of it is racism. I mean making comments on skin colour doesn't come from nowhere.

Those making negative comments about Stan Grant aren't going to admit to racism, generally, in fact no-one will. I don't know many who actually do, in fact very few Neo Nazi's admit to it either.

Stan Grant is a very opinionated person, so for that you will cop flak from others, including via social media. I've had the same type of thing myself. So, it's a question of if you'll take the cheap comments from others, or rise above that and realise their comments are often coming from an immature bunch of clowns who aren't overly intelligent and would benefit going back to school or tertiary education and actually learn something.

You will also face comments from others that are fair and justified. For example I agreed with the ABC Media Watch program that the coronation coverage was poor in terms of critical comment and the royal family. I didn't watch the coverage. It didn't interest me, neither does a lot of television, most of it poor in content. I also feel if your comments about something directed at others are too personal, serious or degrading, you will turn people off and lose potential supporters.
Posted by NathanJ, Friday, 26 May 2023 2:59:57 PM
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We notice Stan because he insists we notice him?
He wants to stand out?
He sets himself apart by making deliberate and controversial statements?
Sometimes we could be forgiven for thinking he has a permanent chip on his shoulder.
However, I don't notice Joe Blue from Woolloomooloo, because Joe blends in to his society.
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Friday, 26 May 2023 3:15:00 PM
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Hi NathanJ,

Some estimate Hitlers IQ at between 140 and 150 (there is no record of it being actually tested), that's well above average. Its reasonable to assume the whole Nazi leadership had prossibly high IQ's, otherwise they would not have been able to undertake the leadership rolls they did. Most racists are not knuckle dragging violent haters, on face value they can appear just the opposite, being very disarming, intelligent and acceptable people (many who met Hitler described him that way). Many racists have been loving and kind towards those they discriminate against, some Christian missionaries were that kind of racists. Many racists don't see themselves as such, I believe Peter Dutton is a racists by his response to the Voice, I'm sure he wouldn't see himself in that light.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 26 May 2023 3:58:18 PM
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Hi Nathan, I think my post is appropriate on your timeline because it raises the question about what this racism is that he complains about. If we don't know what it is we are having a content free discussion. So far no one has provided any examples that I think are substantial. In fact the ones instanced were mostly covered in my first post.

The idea that Australia is a racist country is countered by the facts, and it seems to me that episodes like this are blown-up on the basis of little to no evidence to create a straw man.

Most of us have copped abuse on social media. Some of us have received death threats. I know I have. People don't do these things on the basis of race, they do it because they hate.

I have some sympathy for Grant on the Coronation. When you're "talent" in those situations you get to answer the questions asked of you. And you aren't necessarily aware of what is actually on the screens at the time. However, you also need a sense of occasion. He accepted the invitation to participate, and he had limited sense of occasion so he shares in the blame.

I don't understand why he thinks the ABC owes him an apology, or needs to defend him in the public square. Or why he would think they were even aware of the racial abuse, given it is so difficult to find in the first place.
Posted by Graham_Young, Friday, 26 May 2023 4:51:46 PM
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Its typical of white conservatives on the question of racism, that they peddle the line, "there's nothing to see here". These reactionaries don't believe racism exists unless men wearing bed sheets are dragging black folk out of their houses and lynching them from the nearest tree. First it was the denial of history by these narks, there were no massacres, there was no genocide, and if there was its exaggerated by some for the purpose of peddling an unjustified black agenda, besides that's in the past, there's, "nothing to see here". Then came the period of benign racism, when Aboriginal people were marginalised and disadvantaged by white society, seen as fit for nothing more than being menial work horses to serve the European, or simply existing in some black camp, reliant on the white man for a meagre handout of grog and flour, being subjected to discrimination of all kinds. Today's conservatives will tell you that period of history is overly exaggerated, and besides it was of the black mans choosing, he preferred to live that way, again the line; "nothing to see here". Where are we today with racism, its become more subtle, even more benign and difficult to see. The racists is clever in its application, be it the racism of Dutton in the way he opposes the Voice with his lies and misinformation, or the way some treat Stan Grant with the line he's being just too sensitive and as we know, there's, "nothing to see here".

Good on Stan for taking a stand against racism in today's Australia.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 27 May 2023 6:58:21 AM
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