Paul,

I'm more than happy to correct your erroneous numbers (and they are bunkum) in a thread devoted to that issue - although I think we've already been down that garden path several times previously- but this is about Grant's meltdown.

This notion that every whine by an ABBAriginal is justified because of what happened a century or two ago is ridiculous. It'd be like the Chinese justifying the Uighur genocide because of the Opium Wars.

Just scrounging around to find an excuse (ANY excuse) to justify poor behaviour.

mhaze,

Wanting to mitigate the impact of past events, uncomfortable as they are for YOU, its a cop out to say; "I'm more than happy to correct your erroneous numbers" and then not to do so, although I have said; "number killed is uncertain". I believe the numbers I have presented are substantially correct, and historians agree, but you may have a source of alternate figures, feel free to present them. The notion of limiting the debate to a narrow band, it has not been the case with YOU in the past, is it YOU trying to avoid the uncomfortable reality, which doesn't suit your narrative. Me thinks maybe just another case of "nothing to see here", from a Usual Suspect, hummmmm!

Hi Paul,
Re mhaze:
"That is why 'truth telling' is so important in dealing with today's issues."

Many here just choose to go with whatever 'truth' suits their existing biases or beliefs, regardless of what is and isn't true.
- It may be more about 'truth selling', than 'truth telling'

Regardless of that I've told you all before I've got a tiny bit of indigenous and know a little of the history,
enough to know they never really got a fair deal, and I think they have a kind of collective inherited PTSD.

But that said, I think there's the life you're given (by your parents)
- And the life you make for yourself, and they're two separate things.

Can't help thinking that many indigenous want to blame others for the lives they made for themselves.
In the past their options may have been more limited but maybe not so much today.

- This is just an outsiders observation though.

If it wasn't for the good will from the descendants of the ignorant settlers, most of whom were pushed here against their will, the indigenous would still huddle in their gunyahs instead of enjoying better conditions for nothing unlike many non-indigenous in this great country who can't afford to rent anymore !
Good Govt jobs with great salaries & no merit required would make any decent character think twice about complaining about those who feed them !

How does making the Constitution racist help any one other than those riding the gravy train?

Hi AC,

I think you and I think alike on many things, if not in total agreement. Talked to a mob of Aboriginal young kids, about 8 or 9 of them, the other night about 10 o'clock. They were doing a bit of "yahooing" around the shopping centre. Asked; "What you fellas doing tonight?" One young bloke said; "liven' life, yep liven' life".....I said; "how's it going?" he say; "Not real good"....Then my mate spoke about a young fellas mentoring program, that runs here in Brisbane, and if interested will lead to trade training (apprenticeship) with placement in several companies that are on board. Just been to a meeting about that very subject. The problem is a viscous circle of neglect.These young folk need more than a job, they need help in life. Anyway we left them with the pamphlet, saying give the mate a call if you want to hear more. Then I said; "where you off to now"...."get a pizza mate, bloody hungry!"