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The year of enforcement - Secondary sanctions.
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Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 1 May 2023 3:50:39 AM
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Hi AC,
"When are you going to see that the reason why this is is not because these nations WANT to act like power mad dictatorships, it's because it's all they can do to prevent the west deliberately causing civil unrest in an effort to conduct regime change and overthrows." That was the agenda of the USSR during the cold war. Despite this, democratic nations have kept the press free and have rightly allowed a great freedom for citizens to express opinions. What Russia is conducting in Ukraine is not a humanitarian mission. It is an unprovoked campaign of indiscriminate murder, destruction and terror. The fact that we can express such opinions openly I see as a triumph of our political system. I only wish that people like sm might appreciate this triumph instead of using it as an opportunity to attack those with a differing opinion. Russia's criminal kleptocracy has been as horrible to its own citizens as it has been to Ukrainians, so is it any wonder that all those ex Soviet nations without Russian puppet governments want to protect themselves from a Russian invasion? Posted by Fester, Monday, 1 May 2023 8:20:48 AM
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As I observe the Russian vox pop, I am always impressed at how decent and educated Russians are. I am sickened by the thought of them being killed in Putin's terrorist war. Many comment that they could be jailed for giving an opinion, and one fellow even quipped that the only people who believed Russian media were grandpas and government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI50---L6IU Posted by Fester, Monday, 1 May 2023 4:38:29 PM
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Russia wipes out Ukrainian depots in Dnipro; Tonnes of ammo for counteroffensive blown to bits
http://youtu.be/Aa1sRGavMpI Massive Missile Strike. The Ukrainians Has Ammo Starvation. Military Summary And Analysis 2023.05.01 http://youtu.be/LOSMtyV6AiE "Many comment that they could be jailed for giving an opinion, and one fellow even quipped that the only people who believed Russian media were grandpas and government." It's funny how the West strongarms other countries with economic war (sanctions) and regime changes to suit its own agenda. These young people think the country isn't progressing, yet Russia is the most sanctioned country on earth and even the IMF states that Russia's economy will grow faster in 2024 than the US economy. Imagine where they would be if the West wasn't waging economic war against them - for the purposes of creating dissatisfaction amongst the citizens in the hope they will rise up and oust Putin. The US likes to keep nations that don't comply in a state of disaster with their foot on their throat, for leverage, -think I'm wrong? http://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1409645139648122882?lang=en - The average young person doesn't understand this, the average age on this forum is probably over 60 yet even many here don't get it. Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 1 May 2023 9:25:01 PM
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Secondly we don't know if the Youtube content creator cherry-picked the age of people he spoke to, or simply chose not post the opinions of those people he spoke with who disagreed, and further the fact he earns an income from YouTube videos shows that the content creator himself is likely pro-west and earns an income from this Western platform (YouTube). All these small facts matter, and draw a bigger picture than the one portrayed. - Just like the facts about Russian 'atrocities' and 'targeting of civilians' and 'stolen kids' also matter. Dig down to the truth and you'll find a completely different story than the one the media is portraying. Finally the statement 'only people who believed Russian media were grandpas and government'., what does that say? 'Grandpas' - i.e - people who lived in the Soviet era and have a greater life experience and understanding for the bigger picture than Russian millennials, who probably don't even comprehend that there's a relationship between the lack of prosperity and US sanctions. OR are so lacking in knowledge they don't comprehend sovereignty and want Putin to go so there is prosperity, but don't realise they will become a vassal state of the United states and US companies will robs their nations wealth. Look at our millenials, half of them wouldn't even know basic things, like who Albo is or what political party he's the leader of for example. Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 1 May 2023 9:28:12 PM
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01 May: Russians ON QUARANTINE! DEFENSE LINE IS EMPTY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri2rBSrYXwU This is curious, I haven't watched it yet but found the video thumbnail interesting. 'They caught a fatal disease' 'SUDDEN PLAGUE OUTBREAK' Is it a mere coincidence, this close to their counteroffensive? Especially given the hidden truth about Ukrainian biolabs the US tried to deny existed for months and the reason why they went to extreme lengths to shut them down and hide what they were doing. - Viruses, maybe potentially like COVID that would specifically target and affect people with Russian ethnicity, (but that would also include Ukrainians too one would assume) In any case I find talk of this at this time quite curious, and perhaps also somewhat nefarious. - But I think Russia may have wiped the optimism off their counteroffensive plans with the recent missile strikes in Pavlograd and elsewhere. They destroyed hundreds of tonnes of ammunition, 9 command and control centres, hundreds of officers, and perhaps many newly trained troops for the counteroffensive, blew up rail lines and rail depots and don't forget a couple weeks back they destroyed a 70,000-tonne fuel depot near Zaporizhzhia. Apparently since the war has begun Ukraine has lost some 100K armoured fighting vehicles. Russia's Dnipro blitz deprives Ukrainian brigades of arms; Kyiv's counteroffensive plans crushed http://youtu.be/EpBfXRJiGZw Putin's Bloody Missile Attack Is Horrifying http://youtu.be/ZoatnqiIs6o Bakhmut Endgame | ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE | Bakhmut Front Update 02/05/23 http://youtu.be/rGbvF5whJW4 Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 12:09:51 AM
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No one is claiming that there is no propaganda from the West, however, the Russian propaganda is so blatant that it is ridiculous.
The reason that Nato expanded was that Russia kept attacking its neighbours and ignored any treaties and promises it had made. Russia was not forced into attacking Ukraine, but now its unprovoked aggression is going to cost Russia dearly.
Russia cannot win this war with 50 OECD countries supporting Ukraine.
In the last few months, Ukraine has been supplied with about 240 tanks 1500 armoured vehicles, 200 howitzers plus about 1m rounds of ammunition, anti-aircraft systems etc.
Ukraine is busy destroying Russian logistics in the South as a precursor to the counter-offensive.
Russia is losing this war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM-xZ-3U1ak&ab_channel=SBSNews