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You know what the foundation of democracy is indyvidual?
- That would be sovereignty.

What countries have sovereignty?
Certainly not EU countries, they're all vassal states who's laws are decided in Brussels
Probably not western countries except the US, who lord over all other with threats, blackmail, regime change and military intervention
Do we have democracy, with our US lapdog status, and subservience to UN treaties?

Maybe you think the 2 party system is a good form of domocracy?
Look at the 2 drongos we've got Albo and Dutton
You think they're the best the country has on offer?
What countries are ruled with the best interests of their citizens
The worlds just one big shite-show.
- Clown world.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 1 April 2023 8:06:04 AM
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If you don't know by now that Albanese, Dutton and all aspiring dictators have no interest in democracy, or you, or Australia, then we are going down. You might think that these people, because they speak English - not Russian, German, Chinese etc - and that they look like the rest of us and can be trusted, then you are wrong.

If you think that democracy itself does not stem from Christianity, and that it can exist without Christianity, then you are wrong again. You don't have to be a full blown Christian or a half-arsed Christian to get that fact. Even if you are an atheist, you cannot escape that fact.

And, in Australia, people are turning their backs on Christianity. Not just turning their backs: they are vilifying Christianity, sneering at it, hating it, and demanding that it be thrown aside because it is not 'adjusting' to crazy 21st Century mayhem. Beliefs and values that were normal and mainstream until just a very short while ago, are now condemned and mocked. The result is bloody obvious.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 1 April 2023 8:39:35 AM
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I could have added that no one has any 'rights' unless such rights are guaranteed by the state.
Rights are really basic needs which are enforced by whichever governing body controls a society.
It does this to give everybody a 'fair go'?
So whoever you are, you only have 'rights' because the 'state' says you have.
If the state fails, your rights go out the window.
No one can be separate from the 'state' in which he lives.
No one can live in his own little world.
He relies on the state for his freedoms.

And I note there are posts here which paint the world around us distinctly black.
I don't see that as the truth.
It is true we are not all on the same page.
It is true we often try to go in different directions.
But there is enough uniformity of purpose to maintain steady progress.
The world we live in now is massively different from that of say 150 years ago.
Transport, medical, communication are all greatly enhanced.
That was no accident.
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Sunday, 2 April 2023 3:03:44 PM
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Anyone can have so-called rights taken away at any time. Rights are a load of waffle. Look at the rights we had taken away from us during the Covid panic. We are all supposed to have the right to life - except if someone decides to kill us. Rights are bullshite.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 2 April 2023 3:23:48 PM
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NO NO and NO again. No one has pointed out the current massive industry called the Aboriginal Industry which is run by a few people who tend to look after themselves very well.
How will 20 or 30 people look after 300 odd different “tribes” who in many cases have been and still are at war with each other. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands in glee as numerous court cases are brought forward over years to come because this “unelected controlling group” did not get their way. All politicians should heed the current ABC song “We are one” as a yes vote will do anything but make this country “We are one” NO, NO, NO is the only choice to have.
Posted by GBC, Monday, 3 April 2023 9:29:43 AM
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Back in the sixties, we got rid of a section of the constitution which treated some people differently because of their racial background?
Theoretically, we all became one?
Now some 'do-gooders', with a warped sense of reality, want to re-introduce a concept where racial background is significant again.
Why do they look for a way to 'mess up' a perfectly good and practical system?
Do they lie awake at night dreaming up these schemes?
Haven't they 'got anything better to do'?
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Monday, 3 April 2023 12:47:21 PM
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