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The voice squeaks to a halt.

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As realities of the voice and the vast levels of bureaucracy become apparent, the approval for the voice is shrinking to the point where it has dawned on Labor that without the support of the coalition, the voice referendum is doomed.

Albo is now in the unenviable position of having to flip the bird at the "voice" working group and accommodate the coalition's concerns and amendments.

"Labor and the Coalition are locked in last-minute talks to ­secure bipartisan support for the referendum machinery bill, allowing a national vote to proceed, as Anthony Albanese steps in to finalise the government’s preferred wording for the constitutional amendment on an Indigenous voice to parliament.

Voice campaigners will converge on Canberra in the next two days as members of the government’s referendum working group meet the Prime Minister to provide their advice on the best form of words to alter the Constitution.

Dozens of Aboriginal people opposed to the voice – led by conservative Indigenous leader Warren Mundine and Nationals senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price – will also ramp up their campaign on Wednesday and lobby politicians to vote No.

Mr Albanese told his colleagues on Tuesday there’d never been a successful referendum without bipartisanship, as Liberal senator Andrew Bragg called on the government to “urgently” act to achieve cross-party support.

Addressing Labor’s caucus, Mr Albanese set out the size of the challenge by citing three historic facts. “One, we’ve had no successful referendum in 50 years,” Mr Albanese said. “Two, only 20 per cent of referendums put by Labor have been carried. And thirdly, historically there has been no success without bipartisanship.”

Mr Albanese also told his MPs they needed to minimise scare campaigns about the voice to ensure the referendum passed.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 1:20:02 PM
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Thanks Shadowminister

Since your report the fair and reasonable moderates at SKY NEWS reported 4 hours ago:

"Labor has struck a deal with the Opposition to back the Voice referendum Machinery Bill
but not everyone is happy within the Coalition with at least one senator [JACINTA PRICE]

threatening to cross the floor.

The Opposition Leader Peter Dutton was involved in these discussions – the bill will go through the senate with the Coalition’s support, meaning the government does not need to bargain with the crossbench’s demands.

Details of the deal brokered this morning – the government previously agreed to provide the Yes and No pamphlets

[I HOPE THIS WEAKENS THE YES PUSH]

and now they have agreed to change the tax deductibility status of the No campaign – donations over two dollars will be tax deductible.

The Coalition has caved over the equal funding for the Yes and No campaigns for administrative costs which could cause concern within the Coalition."

see http://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/voice-to-parliament/labor-and-coalition-reach-voice-to-parliament-machinery-deal-conclusions/video/21753a7a4e8bb9bcce993fa19d0acf76
Posted by Maverick, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 6:25:01 PM
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The Liberal section of the Coalition cannot be trusted. They should have announced that they were against it right at the beginning, instead of Dutton whinnying about 'details'.

Now, they are going to support the 'machinery', and Dutton is so piss weak, he will probably fall down and support the whole caboodle. All the courage in the Coalition is now with the junior partner, the Nationals. The Nationals, the last skerrick of Conservatism in the Coalition, should be standing candidates in all Liberal-held seats at the next election.

With all due respect to shadowminister, I think that his claim that that "The voice squeaks to a halt" is about as valid as the one that Ukraine is winning the war against Russia. I wish he was right about the Voice, but I am not convinced.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 7:48:13 PM
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Dutton agreed to the working bill for the referendum to stop the Greens and their radical amendments being put in the Bill. Dutton won the case for a pamphlet outlining the Yes and No positions to be given to every citizen. The Greens wanted voters to be able to register as Citizens on the polling day. No checks.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 23 March 2023 8:26:04 AM
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No excuses for Dutton, please. He should have announced that the Liberal party was against this divisive rubbish, just as the Nationals did. It's up to the people now to vote NO. Unfortunately, too many of them don't understand the effect of this change to our Constitution and our general governance would have, with more power going to judges. And that's assuming they know what the Constitution is, and that we have one!
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 23 March 2023 10:11:10 AM
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Now we are getting, from SkYyNews of all places, that it would 'break Albanese's heart' if the Voice didn't succeed!

This BS was a result of a lip-quivering sob show put on for the cameras by Albanese. The performance was likened to Hawkes cry-in at the time of the CCP killing of Chinese people during Tiananmen Square Massacre.

Hardly the same or even similar.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 23 March 2023 11:29:24 AM
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Perhaps Albanese agrees with shadowminister, and he is getting desperate, resorting to emotional blackmail as described above.

Daniel Wild of IPA opines that today's wording is not Albanese's "modest request", but rather a "dangerous demand" that will create a two tiered society "along racial lines".

Which is what we NO proponents have been saying all along.

The fact that the pushers of the Voice want this muck inserted into the Constitution confirms that they seek to "permanently entrench racial division in Australia".

Was not Australia one of the countries who rightly lambasted the Boers in South Africa for this sort of thing!

"This is the beginning of a very dark path, where an Australian’s race will be put ahead of their need and merit,” writes Daniel Wild.

Wild also says that the proposed wording confirms that the Voice will have veto power over every major decision of both parliament and the executive, making the Parliament of Australia "subservient to this race-based activist body.”

IPA research has revealed growing domestic and international evidence demonstrating that the proposed Indigenous only Voice will be more powerful and have a much more divisive impact on Australian culture and society than the Federal Government claims.

Australia’s "history of judicial activism" means the Voice to Parliament will almost certainly be granted far reaching legal powers.

Only a NO vote will confirm Australia's commitment to racial equality.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 23 March 2023 3:55:12 PM
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Albozo is a liar.

He promised Dutton that the voice would apply to the parliaments and not the public service. Once he had got the vote through, he changed his mind and included public service.

The voice as set out by Albozo is a huge monolith of rent seekers blocking every decision without a handout.

This means that bipartisanship is out of the window and the chance of the referendum failing is far greater.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 25 March 2023 10:29:27 AM
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Latest revelations about the Voice:

. There would be no democracy involved.

. Appointments only by the aboriginal 'aristocracy'.

. No say for grassroots.

. Voice would NOT replace a single one of all the existing quangos.

. Most of the business of the Voice would involve the 'aristocracy' fighting over who gets to spend the truck loads of money.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 25 March 2023 11:13:30 AM
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The solution to this supposed "Racism" and "Lack of Indigenous voice" is not forking out 100 million a year to pay for a committee of "Indigenous" (You are not allowed to call out the other percentage of their heritage or you are a RACIST) people from inner NSW who have never actually experienced poverty or can accurately help the indigenous community's. It is already known to many that funding for development of indigenous communities often finds its way into the elders back pocket, so why should we increase the size and issue of this problem further by doing it with larger sums of money.

Honestly the only person who would vote yes would be a woke leftist 20 year old whose house smells of weed, and has about as many braincells as the average BP fuel sniffer
Posted by polbattle, Tuesday, 28 March 2023 10:33:09 PM
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And there is still no definition of "What is an Aborigine ?"
In a hundred years there will be very few blacks, just look at the
lineup of their present "leaders".

In 1066 the Normans conquered Britain.
For some hundreds of years the court & the Barons in Britain spoke French.
Now the Barons sit in the house of Lords and speak English.
Do you not see the similarity with what will happen with the voice.
Except here the voice of the aristocracy will have real power.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 29 March 2023 9:54:13 PM
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Bazz, yes in two hundred years from now there will be no genuine aboriginals as intermarriage will eradicate them. So, the Constitution will still be enforced to an elite group owning the land. It is called feudalism where we work for the landlords, we are owned by the Landlords, who have say over our lives. We are currently brainwashed to bow to the owners of the land, by welcome to their country. They have done nothing to build this nation its culture and security.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 30 March 2023 8:24:35 AM
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I am bored stiff by the same old same old crap about this extreme Left, race-based assault on democracy from our Loony Left (I'm going to change Australia) PM, and a handful of elite Blakticvists who don't give a stuff about the 20% aboriginal Australians who do actually need help. It's all about power and taxpayer money to them.

So, I am out of here, and will be doing the only thing that I and other Australians can do to stop our Constitution being violated - VOTING NO!
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 30 March 2023 8:42:47 AM
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IN 1967 AUSTRALIA REMOVED RACE FROM THE CONSTITUTION NOW ALBANESE WANTS TO PUT IT BACK. We gave everyone equality under the Constitutionn now He want a YES to give non indigenous inequality. If you believe in equality VOTE NO!
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 7 April 2023 6:38:28 PM
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Joe,

You hit the nail on the head.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 9 April 2023 4:03:11 AM
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