yuyutsu,

In common language hate speech refers to offensive discourse
that targets a group or an individual ( based on their religion,
race, gender or ethnicity) .

So saying that you hate Jews and want to kill them all, qualifies
as hate speech.

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Now back to the topic:

A lone gunman and avowed anti-Semite Robert Bowers walked into
Pittsburgh's Tree of Life synagogue on Saturday, October 27th
2018 and murdered 11 people, wounding another 6.

The massacre sent shock waves across the nation and around the
globe and came at a time when attacks on Jews were on the rise
both in the US and across Europe.

The words of Eli Wiesel are now more relevant than ever.
Wiesel spent most of his life reminding the world of the
dangers of indifference, and hate, and the importance of
speaking out against injustice, intolerance, and words of hate
and feelings that can incite and encourage violence.

" I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings
endure suffering and humiliation. We MUST always take sides".

Dear Foxy,

«In common language hate speech refers to offensive discourse
that targets a group or an individual ( based on their religion,
race, gender or ethnicity) .»

This is not "common language", this is your newspeak jargon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

In any case, speaking about oneself and one's weaknesses is not offensive.

Sure, it might technically qualify as anything in your confusing jargon since that jargon was designed in the first place for the purpose of sowing confusion.

I read in the Wikipedia:
"Hate speech is defined by the Cambridge Dictionary as public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation"

So this definition artificially bundles two very different things into one single definition:
1) Speech that expresses hate.
2) Speech that encourages violence.

Confessing one's weaknesses is anything but encouraging violence, so this eliminates #2.
As for #1, speaking about one's own hating is indeed an expression which includes the word 'hate' so if you like to be smart you could indeed get away with calling it "hate speech", yet it is not one's hate that is being expressed but rather one's remorse, caring and their wish to understand and be free of that disturbing emotion.

You wanted to learn why people hate Jews, or so at least you claimed, but other than mind-readers, the only people who can possibly know the answer are those who actually hate Jews - the rest of us can only speculate, yet you prefer mere speculation over reliable sources which you are not even allowing the rest of us to hear.

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I already mentioned that in my view, the reason people hate is because they want to hate. Period.

But you, Foxy, try to find the reason in their object-of-hate, in this case the Jews, thus claiming that there is a real something or the other about Jews themselves (rather than about their haters) that causes people to hate them.

That justifies Jew-hating and if that is not hate-speech, then what is?

Yuyutsu,

As I've already told you - I don't see hate speech as
"honesty and courage" and I certainly would not excuse
it as - "telling the truth."
and to me your statements of "I hate Jews and want to kill
them all," I regard as hate speech. To me expressing hostility
against a group of people because of who they are is not a
cause for celebration as you've suggested. It's a cause for
shame because it has done and does so much harm.

I have already explained my reasons for starting this
discussion.

You can try to justify your words and behaviour. I'm not
buying it. I find it contemptible.

The history of the Holocaust shows that targeting an entire
group has far reaching consequences. It can lead to an
increase in xenophobia, racism, and extremism throughout
society, with devastating consequences for individuals,
communities, and nations.

"Someone who hates one group will end up hating everyone -
and, ultimately hating himself or herself. In any society
fanatics who hate don't only hate one person - they hate
every body. There may be times when we are powerless to
prevent injustice but there MUST never be a time when we fail
to protest."

And I will continue to protest Sir, against your
despicable behaviour and your gaslighting attempts
and diversions to try to do a houdini act to sneak out of it.

Not having a bar of it!

Dear Foxy,

«and to me your statements of "I hate Jews and want to kill
them all," I regard as hate speech.»

This was not a statement, but an example that was given in a particular context, spoken by a hypothetical person, not by me.

The exact words, which you changed for your convenience, were: "I feel hatred towards Jews, I have the urge to kill them".

«To me expressing hostility against a group of people because of who they are»

As I explained for the third time, Jews are not hated because of who they are but because their haters want to hate them. If you claim that Jews are hated because of who they are, then you [wrongly] imply that the "reasons" for hating them are real!

«"Someone who hates one group will end up hating everyone -
and, ultimately hating himself or herself...»

EXACTLY. This shows again that the reasons for hating are on the hater's side rather than on the hated side!

«And I will continue to protest Sir, against your
despicable behaviour»

Of encouraging another member of this forum to say whatever they have to say and not be scared of you and run away... I understand...

yuyutsu,

The fact remains - you have defended those words regardless of
who says them - as "telling the truth", and just "expressing one's feelings" and that this action
should be celebrated for its "honesty and courage".

I have vigorously disagreed all along and I gave you the
reasons why.

I'm not interested in further argument with you.

Dear Foxy,

«The fact remains - you have defended those words regardless of
who says them - as "telling the truth"»

That is of course, only if and when that is indeed the truth.

I suspect that if there is anyone here for which that is true, then instead of explaining their situation to us so we can learn, they turned away from this forum and will continue their same conversation on the darkweb instead where no one can help them.

«and just "expressing one's feelings" and that this action
should be celebrated for its "honesty and courage".»

"Expressing" is your word: the word I used was "confesses".
Yes, confessing of hatred requires honesty and courage.

At present, Armchair Critic seems to have fled in fear of you - I wonder how many others you scared away too, how many others did not have the courage and fled away too. Is your goal to empty out this forum?

Anyone else still here?