In the last few days, while two thirds of Australians celebrated or quietly contemplated Australia Day, and what it means them, and why the 26th. of January is a significant date, hate-fuelled mobs took to the streets declaring war on white Australians and demanding race-based taxes; on top the $30 billion handed out annually to the aboriginal industry.

And, Albanese proved that the Voice is not needed by hopping on a plane and going to listen to the voices of real people in Alice Springs. After being shamed into it of course.

I guess we all see things from our own levels and
perspectives. I was very impressed as I watched the
early morning ceremony on Australia Day from Canberrs.
I didn't see any hatred on the contrary I saw lots of
smiles. I saw welcome to country - the paying of respect
to our Indigenous people. I saw Indigenous flags, native
dancers, Aboriginal spirituality, culture and creativity
flowering through the tv screen.

I saw citizenship ceremonies, our national anthem sung in
two languages, All very memorable.

It made me realize that as a nation we should keep on
working towards unification, reconciliation, It may take
time - but it needs to be done . Instead of division - we
do need to celebrate a day of positive associations for all
Australians - both Indigenous and non-Indigenous. And we do
have to work out what that date is together.

January 26th does not celebrate the establishment of Australia
as a country but marks the foundation of the British colony
in NSW.

Most nations celebrate the their national day on the date
of independence from their colonial power, not the day of
colonisation.

Unfortunately the date of 26th January has negative
associations for all Australians - both Indigenous and
non-Indigenous. It marks the start of dispossession and
discrimination of Indigenous Australians and the arrival of
convicts in chains.

A different date would be a significant symbolic act
towards reconciliation.

It is something worth debating, discussing, and working
towards changing the meaning of Australia Day. It may take
time, as stated earlier - but it will be well worth the
effort - instead of continuing to flog hatred and division
lets try for unity and setting the record straight.

Dear Foxy,

There is a mood shift isn't there. On twitter there are people lamenting the fact that on a drive across Melbourne they only saw a couple of Australian flags being displayed.

It is the majority of Australians who are taking a quiet but important stand. And these are the real Australians, ones who have taken the time to know, understand and take a degree of ownership of our past.

They are the ones who have decided things need to change, to nudge aside the status quo, and to look to a embrace a more inclusive future.

It is similar to the mood at the Victorian election. The yipping chihuahuas of the right get so caught up in their ideology and sloganeering they miss the general sentiment.

There are a lot of good people out there.

Dear Steele,

I read an article recently in The Sydney Morning Herald
(Jan 27th) that When First Nations people around the
country were asked recently if they support a First Nations
Voice an overwhelming 80% said YES. Only 105 would vote no and
10% were still to make up their minds.

Commentators and politicians fill newspapers with their opinions
as well as air-waves. Of course they will influence some
people. However I agree with you - there are good people out
there. Who confirm what was found in the dialogues that were
had in Aboriginal communities more than five years ago which
confirmed that First Nations people did want a Voice in our
regions, cities, and remote areas.

It is a shame that a noisy 10% who too often claim to speak on the
behalf of our Indigenous people are making the most noise
and are getting so much unwarranted attention that they
don't deserve.

But I am sure that the time for The Voice has come, and it will
be voted in by most Australians.

Of this I have no doubt!

sorry - for the typo. Only 10% would vote no.
Not 105.

My son has a flag pole infront of his granny flat. Sometimes he flies an Australian flag, a reflection of his 10 years of navy service, sometimes the Eureka flag.

On the night of the 25Th we had a thunder storm which interacted with the flag hoist. In the morning the Oz flag was flying at half mast. On asking he assured this was not of his doing, but we both noted that a dumb flag pole could see the death of our Australia, which so many are too dumb to see.

Dear Hasbeen,

Nah, that was God giving you and your son fair warning to get on the right side of history.

Please take heed.

Maybe it was the deity mourning the passing of a once great nation

"war on white Australians and demanding race-based taxes"

- That's a good way to ensure that I vote no.

A one off plane trip to Alice Springs as part of an attempt to solve a law and order problem is NOT evidence (let alone proof) that the Voice isn't needed.

Who are the hate filled mobs you refer to? And who exactly is demanding race based taxes?

An accidental observer of one of these hate sessions about 'Invasion Day' reports one charming aboriginal looking lady yelling to the mob, “Open your eyes, hearts, minds, ears and fuckin’ listen!” Classy! Then when they obeyed and cheered, she advised the whitefellas there to "feel ashamed of their whiteness".

They should have been ashamed for even being there to listen to such rubbish. But they probably meekly joined in with the singing of a 'song' containing three main words: "F..k the colony".

But, it turned out that the nice people attending - including the local branch of the Communist Party - were against the Voice, and more interested in abolishing the Constitution altogether, not just amending it.

The lunatics who organised this disgusting display call themselves 'Warriors of the Aboriginal Resistance', a far-left activist group that regularly burns the Australian flag and is "quite open about their incendiary plans for the country itself".

Nothing the Albanese government tries to do will ever appease these foul apologies for humans, who hate Australia, hate white people, and probably hate themselves. But, Ocker & Co are too stupid to see it.

It has been said elsewhere that the lunatic Left against the Voice would prefer a treaty. It has also been said that a country cannot make a treaty with itself - i.e one group of Australians making a treaty with another group (the other 97% of the population).

Who knows what could happen with the total crackpot we now have as a Prime Minister. It's hard to believe that the entire Labor Party has sh.t for brains, but this bloke looks more like a dictator by the day.

I wonder why the lunatic left always considers itself to be on the right side of history.

ttbn, I don't know where you get your stuff from; " hate-fuelled mobs took to the streets declaring war on white Australians and demanding race-based taxes". In your attempts to stoke race hate against Black Australia you invent preposterous lies like that, the fore mentioned is typical. Given the hate you and those of your ilk engage in against Aboriginal people now, one can only imagine the levels of depravity you extreme would stoop to if you were ever to gain power. Fortunately for Australia only half a percent support your style of extremism, and we are safe in the knowledge that its mostly ratbags pissing in the wind.

I watched the Australia Day Concert being again
screened Sydney Harbour outside the Opera House.
It was a magnificent event - with a huge crowd. People
singing and dancing together. They certainly did not
look like a "hate-filled mob" to me. On the contrary -
it was positive and quite wonderful.

The only "hate-filled" expressions that I'm reading are
on this forum. Sad to see that. But secure in the knowledge
that these people are only a small minority who will end up
on the dung heap of history. Like the small 10% who claim to
speak on behalf of the Indigenous People - whereas 80%
support The Voice.

Yay!

"wonder why the lunatic left always considers itself to be on the right side of history". (SM)

Because they are lunatics? Self-absorbed? Inward-looking? Ignorant of history, and just about everything else? Can't concentrate long enough to read? Don't come into contact with anyone outside their bubble?

Lots of reasons.

If white people are as bad as we are told we are, now would be a good time to reintroduce the White Australia policy so that non-whites don't have to come here and put up with us.

There would also be an opportunity for self-denigrating whites to leave here to live in countries where the people are nicer, apparently.

Hi Foxy,

Although I'm not particularly nationalistic, I'm not opposed to a truly inclusive day of celebration as Australia Day, for me 1st January is that day. 26th January is the day of the 'festering sore', its a sort of rub our noses in it day for Aboriginal people, a reminder of the atrocities of the colonial past. We can't change history, but we certainly can recognise it for what it was, a period of genocide of the first Australians, we should remember it for what it was, but not cerebrate it. Like the Nazi holocaust, it must be remembered always, but never glorified, as some will have it, the 26th January is in the same category.

I'm all for a celebration of a Multicultural Harmony Day, 21st March, where First Australians, New Australian, and Those Australians by birth can come together and really be proud of this country in a truly inclusive way.

Dear Paul,

From what I saw in this year's celebrations - we are headed
in the right direction. The celebrations this year were very
inclusive and as time goes by I'm sure that they will become
even more so. The meaning of Australia Day will eventually
include us all. All who came and contributed and have changed
and made this country what it is today. Including the flowering
of Aboriginal spirituality, culture, and creativity that despite
everything - still survives.

After all - "We are one, and we are many..." And that shall
remain - despite what a small minority would like to dispute.
Their voices are like farts in a blizzard. And as effective.

to TTBN,

You're full of it....get a tan and stop bleating BS

Hi Again Foxy,

We can be all warm and fuzz on Australia Day, loaded up with lots of inclusion, but 26th January is simply the wrong day to do that. I likened it to Germany having their National Day on the Fuhrer's birthday, 20th April, then claiming its "all good" for our Jewish brethren as we're not celebrating the Fuhrer as such, but our national day, which includes you, it just wouldn't wash. What are the impediments to moving Australia Day to January 1st, we can still wear cheap Chinese thongs, with the Aussie flag, have ferry races on Sydney Harbour and fireworks at night. From my family, friends and neighbours I didn't detect any great nationalistic sentiment on 26th, when I got home from town my neighbour was cutting the grass, maybe he was being patriotic.

ttbn, wouldn't a bigoted racist just love to reintroduce the 'White Australia' Policy, I'm sure those of your ilk would demand must stiffer action than previous under the policy, maybe kick out all those undesirable darkies and their white sympathisers. Hummmm?

Dear Paul,

I totally agree that we need to change the date. Most nations
celebrate their national day on the day of independence from
their colonial power, not the day of colonisation. And, Jan.
26th does not celebrate the establishment of Australia as a
country but marks the foundations of the British colony in NSW.

A different date would be a significant symbolic act towards
reconciliation. I agree that we should as a nation keep on
trying and working towards changing the meaning of Australia
Day. I keep repeating that it may take time to agree on a date,
but it needs to be done.

As for ttbn? Whatever is eating him must be suffering terribly.

A few points for the Leftist haters:

. Migrants bust a gut to come here

. Australia is a world-leader on Indigenous rights

. Australians have fought in every major war since the Boer War, for a better world

. Australia banned slavery at the point of the country's conception on the 26th. January, 1778.

. Australia is one of the most developed and prosperous nations in the world

. We have helped build the world with our incredible iron ore and coal mining industries

Whoa! what a heated argument on this thread...

On a lighter note.

Time for what should be our anthem "We Are One".

Though you'll see I've adjusted it on new improved minorities to majority proportional basis http://youtu.be/rjkrjYitgeA?t=29s

Hi Maverick,

This song still manages to bring tears to my eyes.
Beautiful. It should be our anthem!

"Australia banned slavery at the point of the country's conception on the 26th. January, 1778."

Nothing in the history books about Phillip declaring the country of Australia, 26th January 1788. Pray tell ttbn, how many times in his speech on that day did Phillip mention the country of "Australia", try none. BTW the convict population were not in attendance on that day. Who needs slaves when you have convicts for free labour. What a joke!

"Australia is a world-leader on Indigenous rights" without any form of treaty or agreement. Where did you get that one from?

"Migrants bust a gut to come here" so you say. Maybe Indy did, for free handouts, but he's the exception.

"Australians have fought in every major war since the Boer War, for a better world" Vietnam was not fought for a better world, it was a proxy was of the United States, Australia's bloodiest war, where over 60,000 were killed, WWI was an imperial war which created an even worse world than existed, leading directly to WWII.

Paul,

Admit it, the natives were rescued by the British. Their standard of living is vastly improved thanks to the civilizing influence and benevolence of the settlers.

Yeah - that's why their population is so huge today.
Their culture, spirituality, and creativity is
fully recognized. They don't have any health problems,
mental issues, or problems with alcohol abuse, et cetera.
Their kids are not in jails, or out on the streets but are
gainfully employed. What more could they possibly want?

VOICE ALL ABOUT PREFERENCING ONE SELF-DEFINING RACE

Hi Foxy

As you know the Voice is an effort to give 2 votes
(1. for members of Federal Parliament AND
an new additional vote for Voice Representatives)
to each member of the race loosely defining itself "Aboriginal".
The vast majority of Australians, being non-Aboriginal,
will still only have the one vote (for members of Parliament).

About twice as many people, since 1980, are defining themselves as Aboriginal for whatever coming-out, solidarity, professional and monetary reasons. Meanwhile and, on Average, any black blood is steadily being diluted in the white direction - especially in Sydney and Lidia's Melbourne.

You'll notice Lidia (A) and many other radical ABBA-Riginals (B) like her, are increasingly opposed to the mainstream "Uncle Tom"(C) northern authentic Aborigines, who do support the Voice. This is partly because Lidia and others are radicals first and mainstream "Aboriginals" second - even if they argue otherwise.

(A) Checkout Lidia's Caucasion photo (7/8ths White, 1/8th Aboriginal by blood). http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/30/lidia-thorpe-welcomes-sovereignty-assurances-over-voice-but-remains-undecided . Here Aboriginality, by choice, is one aspect of her radicalism.

(B) White, like an ABBA lookalike band http://www.jkentertainmentagency.co.uk/acts/abba-riginal

(C) "Uncle Tom" being alleged black sellouts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom kowtowing to what Lidia sees as the white Canberra Parliament that, she believes, seeks to reduce Aboringinal sovereignty.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Foxy

Unlike the 1967 Referendum
there is no widespread GOODWILL
necessary to pass the coming
Voice Referendum.

Already many-most Coalition Politicians
many non-Aboriginal Australians
and "Aboriginal" radicals
oppose the Voice
for various reasons.

Cheers Mavs

BTW Foxy

Aboriginal "Warren Mundine,
a leading organiser of the no campaign,

said on Sunday the campaign would propose
symbolic constitutional recognition of
Indigenous people and migrants through
a new preamble, via another referendum.
This approach was previously rejected
by multiple rounds of consultation
including the 2017 Uluru statement
from the heart, which called
for a voice to parliament."

More - see http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/30/voice-to-parliament-migrant-and-refugee-groups-reject-divisive-no-campaign-proposal-for-constitutional-recognition

Foxy,

Is that from Australia or their culture? At some point, everyone is responsible for their own actions.

SM,

I thought you were being facetious with that comment; "(Paul) Admit it, the natives were rescued by the British. Their standard of living is vastly improved thanks to the civilizing influence and benevolence of the settlers." Maybe not, I'm not so sure now. Could one day a foreign power, uninvited, but armed to the teeth, turn up on our sunny shores with the same good intentions of rescuing us from ourselves, improving our living standards, even civilising us, and of course acting with that same good old British like benevolence. Like the Aboriginals couldn't wait for the British cup of kindness to arrive, I think we should do the same.

shadowminister,

Then you do admit that the white settlers actions
were as King Charles also declared - were "abhorrent,"
to the native population. Glad to hear that.

Hi Maverick,

I have to do what I think is the right thing to do.
And I have made up my mind as to what that is concerning
our Indigenous First Nations People. I'm sure that you
have as well. That's all each of us can do.

And we shall have to wait and see what the majority
of Australians decide.

Interesting times we live in.

Thank you for continuing to share information and your
opinions with me. I do appreciate your taking the time to
do that.

Uncle Tom Wazza Mundine, been dirty on Labor ever since he failed to get endorsement in the safe inner Sydney seat of Kingsford Smith years back, which he believed was rightfully his. Quit Labor in a tantrum to join the Liberals, has gone around in everything for them from a rickshaw to a billy cart without landing a seat yet.

Paul1405,

Why aren't you referring to Ms Thorpe as 'Aunty Tom'?. Is it because she is in the Greens?

Hi Steele,

You don't need to ask the question that's a forgone conclusion, absolutely, expect no pretence of impartiality from me. One who Labor hates with a passion is a turncoat, a "Labor Rat" as they call them. I'm a bit harsh on Wazza, referring to him as Uncle Tom. If he had got that Labor endorsement all those years back I suspect he would be singing the praises of the Voice today. That's politics.

Albo could only afford 4 hours in The Alice with their multitude of problems, but spent 3 nights at the tennis, pissing up with the likes of Peter Costello. Got to wonder where their priorities lie sometimes

No problem Foxy

I appreciate our discussions.

And respect your humanitarian beliefs.

Regards Mavs

The fundamental question is, how could we best deal with criminally inclined people ?
Police can't handle the situation yet when the Army is suggested, the do-gooders object !
What do you morons want ? Do you want a harmonious society or do you want to continue the way we have been going ?
If you are not prepared to make effective decisions shut up & sit in a corner ! Constantly criticising & effectively preventing solutions is highly obviously not the solution. Let's try the Army patrolling the streets for a year & see how the criminal elements fare !
I have suggested this years & years ago that if the Army is used in times when the situation is such as in the Alice now, Army or Army Reserves could temporarily become Police Deputies help with Law & Order. No extra costs to anyone whatsoever, not even any damage costs because their won't be any damage !

'their' - oops typo should be 'there"

A worry Foxy

The Centre-Left Guardian reports 3 Feb 2023:

"Anthony Albanese has revealed he will proceed with the referendum to enshrine an Indigenous voice to parliament even if he suspects the proposal will fail because of a lack of political consensus.

Given history shows referendums fail when they lack bipartisan support, the prime minister acknowledged that advancing, come what may, was a “risk … particularly where, at the moment, it is only the Labor party saying that they are committed to a yes vote”."

MORE see http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/03/albanese-says-voice-referendum-will-go-ahead-even-if-political-dissent-presents-risk-of-failure

The Guardian 'centre left'? Far Left more like.

I'm not sure that Albanese actually said that; other people have said that he did.

However, the government could legislate for a Voice at any time, particularly now, with no real opposition and the help of the Greens and a couple of 'independents'. The just can't "enshrine" in the Constitution.

I think the Ocker would look an even bigger dick if he landed us with the cost and inconvenience of a referendum, then ignored the result.

Dear Indyvidual,

About a week ago this happened about 100kms from me.

"Last night 500 kids in Torquay were involved in a massive drunken beach party with trashed property, and violent punch ons. 2 police helicopters and multiple ambulance involved."

Do we need the army involved there or is it they are of a different colour?

"'centre left'? Far Left" whatever ttbn

The important thing is the Voice Referendum actually passing looks a long shot because there's none of the widespread goodwill necessary for a Referendum to pass.

Even First Nations Inc. Lidia dislikes the Voice.

Good.

SR,

Is this drunken party still going on night after night or has it cleared out? Only an idiot would call the army to an empty beach.

SM

"Is this drunken party still going on night after night" Not since the people woke up and kicked the Liberals out. No more party for the rorters, rip-offs and reprobates. As the immortal 'Cry Baby' would say; "All good things must come to an end, the parties over for me!"...boo-hoo.

Paul,

The rorters, rip-offs and reprobates are in power and with the help of bigots and pederasts will screw the country over just as they did from 2007 to 2013.

It helps to be 7/8THs WHITE

if you're running for the future First Nations Federal Voice House of Parliament.

In the Red, anti Voice corner, until she backs the Voice to add to her white Senator power base, is Lidia, 7/8ths white by sight http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidia_Thorpe

In the Blue, pro-Voice corner, is 7/8ths white by sight Professor Megan Davis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_Davis

Note: Their Jelly Wrestling match to settle their mutual disdain. In the Vid Lidia dyed her natural red hair brown and Megan remains a natural blonde http://youtu.be/EIVuPXRt2XM

I'm tossing up whether its good or bad news Lidia Thorpe split from the Greens today.

Lidia would love the spotlight of being a noisy headline seeking missile as an Independent Senator until 2028.

Here are some main milestones in Lidia's anti-Voice career:

May 2017 - Among a small group of delegates who walk out of the Uluru national convention.

June 2021 - Accused of verbally abusing Indigenous elder Aunty Geraldine Atkinson during a meeting in Parliament House.

May 2022 - Elected to the Federal Senate representing herself and, to an extent, Victoria.

August 2022 - At her swearing-in to federal parliament she has to repeat her oath after initially referring to the “colonising” Queen.

September 2022 - Lidia calls the Voice to Parliament Referendum a “WASTE OF MONEY”, saying the funds could be better spent in Indigenous communities.

January 25, 2023 - Clears the way for a split with her Greens colleagues on the Voice in a formal deal in the party room that gives her free rein to vote against the proposal while others give it their support.

January 26, 2023 - Among speakers who denounce the Voice proposal and [INSTEAD] demand a treaty to give First Nations people more power at Invasion Day marches.

“We are sovereign and this is our land. And we deserve better than an advisory body,” she tells the Melbourne march.

February 4, 2023 - Thorpe demanded that none of her fellow Greens MPs, including another Indigenous senator, meet with Indigenous community members about the Voice, insisting only she was allowed to do so.

February 6, 2023 - Splits from the Greens after a long-running dispute over the Voice to parliament referendum and will move to the crossbench.

Drawn from http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/thorpe-s-exit-from-the-greens-the-biggest-bait-and-switch-in-politics-20230206-p5ci9d.html