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Halal Terrorism and Haram Terrorism

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To stop any confusion please replace the word PERMITTED instead of Halal , and the words NOT PERMITTED instead of Haram.

When we talk about "Halal terrorist acts in Australia" it means those terrorist acts that are permitted by the government, not by Islam.

Still we have not started talking about "Terrorist acts in Islam". maybe tomorrow inshallah (God willing).
Posted by ALJAZEERA_OZ, Monday, 10 September 2007 2:38:58 PM
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Boaz, you are becoming very, very predictable.

First, you pretend that it is essential to "understand" religion, in order to be able to recognize when it is being used for political purposes.

>>But this is the thing.. you criticize from ignorance..things written from an informed, broad database of knowledge and real world experience.<<

My "knowledge and real world experience" is very well informed, thank you. Better than many, I would suggest, particularly in that it does not suffer from being processed through the pin-hole camera of any particular fanatical religious proclivities.

Then you take an element of my position, and completely misunderstand it.

>>You then take isolated cases.. McVeigh, Unibomber.. neither of which can be connected to Christian scriptural teaching in any coherant way<<

Guess what? That was my point. It is not necessary to have religious connections in order to perform murderous acts. Some do, some don't. That means that the fact that this poor misguided youth was a Muslim is, in fact, irrelevant. He's just another nutter.

I am not at all sure where this thread is heading. AlJazeerah_Oz seems to be prevaricating, now that he has been challenged to explain himself - he seems to be a graduate of the Boaz School of Religious Obfuscation. That indicates that he might just be a troll.

Given that Al now wants us to drop the Islamic overtones of Halal and Haram, and Angela84 has disappeared completely, the whole thing was probably a troll for Boaz to jump into his pulpit, yet again.

While we are about it, I wonder if you'd care to take a quick look at this report that I stumbled across this afternoon.

http://www.europol.europa.eu/publications/TESAT/TESAT2007.pdf

It is the Europol (European Police Office) official analysis of terrorist activity in Europe in 2006.

Here's the gist.

There were 498 terrorist attacks in Europe in 2006, only one of which was perpetrated by Islamic terrorists.

It failed.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Not of Islamic terrorists, but of religious nutters who want to foment fear, loathing and hatred against other religions.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 10 September 2007 3:09:24 PM
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Now Perilous.. my predictability is only exceeded by yours.

Either you didn't read the article, or deliberately supressed relevant parts of it which ethically you should have included in such a post.

798 TERRORISM ARRESTS.

QUOTE
Half of all the terrorism arrests were related to
Islamist terrorism. France, Spain, Italy and the
Netherlands had the highest number of arrests
of Islamist terrorist suspects. The majority of the
arrested suspects were born in Algeria,Morocco
and Tunisia and had loose affiliations to North
African terrorist groups, such as the Moroccan
Islamic Combatant Group and the Salafist Group
for Preaching and Combat.
ENDQUOTE

CONCLUSION. You set out to deliberately understate, and minimize a clearly serious and worrisome trend, by misrepresenting the true tone of an official report. I'm sure you were aware of this.
I confess, that at times, I have erred though lack of research, but in this case... you had the information and chose to ignore it.

Makes me wonder about your true motives old son.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 10 September 2007 4:22:50 PM
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I was rather hoping you would bring that up, Boaz.

"Half of all the terrorism arrests were related to Islamist terrorism. France, Spain, Italy and the Netherlands had the highest number of arrests of Islamist terrorist suspects"

498 actual incidents, only one perpetrated by Islamic terrorists.

706 actual arrests, 257 of whom were Islamists.

Fascinating. Does it not strike you that the police are already doing a pretty good job in keeping the lid on this? Does it not occur to you to leave them to get on with it, instead of taking every possible opportunity to fan the flames of bigotry, fear and hatred? Don't you think it might make their job a little easier if you were to stop going around creating new enemies at every turn?

I've asked this of you on a number of occasions, Boaz, and you have yet to even hint at an answer:

"...is the problem likely to get a) larger or b) smaller, if you keep picking at it like an old scab? Are your enemies likely to get a) more or b) less militant, as a result of your endless stream of febrile insults?"

You mentioned earlier in this thread, in relation to Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar:

>>The scary thing about this, is that people LIKE this man could be lurking in our universtities.. just waiting to the 'switched on' by sufficient human/Quran interaction and daily newsbites.<<

Does it not occur to you that if they were to be unfortunate enough to keep bumping into Boazes everywhere they go, it might just have the same effect? To "switch on" to the task of defending themselves against your constant sniping at the things they believe in?

As for:

>>The only way THIS person could have been prevented from doing what he did, (apart from physical restraint) would be to show him that the Quran, Mohammad and Islam, are questionable themselves.<<

That is the misapprehension that creates the problem in the first place.

Simply put:

It. Doesn't. Work. Like. That.

In fact, to do so is insulting, and instantly becomes part of the problem.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 10 September 2007 5:35:16 PM
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Hi ALJAZEERA_OZ

Please give an example for both Halal and Haram Terrorism in Australia.

Thanks
Posted by Aunti Anti Terrorism, Monday, 10 September 2007 8:18:20 PM
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Halal or Haram
Halal=Do all of its victims have to face east while they're getting blown to pieces?
Haram= Doesn't matter which way they are facing while they're murdered
I know, why don't we ask Osama bin Laden??
TO EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD GET A BLOODY LIFE!
Posted by originalaussie, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 1:38:14 AM
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