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Exxon accurately predicted global warming from 1970s
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Posted by WTF? - Not Again, Saturday, 14 January 2023 12:03:40 PM
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"This is just another deflection."
No, but it is another indication of your inability to grasp the concept of a prediction being about the future, not the past. Say you were alive when the prediction was made. How would you know the prediction might be accurate in fifty years time? Given the accuracy of fifty year predictions, the odds of a fifty year prediction being accurate are very slim. Maybe you could take a trip in a time machine? Posted by Fester, Saturday, 14 January 2023 12:16:55 PM
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My take on the Exxon Mobil attack is that it reflects the desperation of the renewable energy industry. Several years ago the predictions were all about how renewables would become incredibly cheap and displace fossil fuels on merit. Oh yes, and "Ha Ha! Sucked in!" to all the fossils fools and "You deserve to lose your money for investing in that rubbish!".
Well, the truth is that heavily subsidised renewables ($7 billion a year in Australia) are delivering expensive non-dispatchable energy and threatening the viability of the electrical grid, and the failure to invest in fossil fuel production is giving fossil fuel producers a windfall while many green ventures go broke. Consequently the fight is getting dirty and a campaign is underway to vilify fossil fuels so as to justify super taxes, with the likes of UN chief Tony Goat's Balls regularly calling fossil fuel profits obscene. My respect goes to viable technologies, not inferior rubbish propped up with subsidies, lies, and cherry picked hack jobs on the competition. Posted by Fester, Saturday, 14 January 2023 1:24:59 PM
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The Elliot Wave Theory.
http://elliottwave-forecast.com/elliott-wave-theory Accordingly the stock market follows an infallible definite pattern, regardless of any human or natural events, including even the invention of the wheel, world-wars, earthquakes and tsunamis. Accordingly the stock market followed this pattern even in prehistory before there was any formal stock-market, only bartering. There are waves within waves within waves: A-B-C-D-E within A-B-C-D-E, 1-2-3-4-5 within 1-2-3-4-5 within 1-2-3-4-5 - just find where exactly on this pattern we are now, then buy and sell stocks at the right time - and be rich! And retrospectively one can always exclaim: "Ah, this is what happened, now I get it, how could I be so blind - we had an E within a C within a bigger D within a bigger A, that is exactly why the stock-market fell on that particular date". And yes, a few used this theory and won a fortune on the stock-market - while many others lost and blamed their own mis-reading of the patterns. So, given it was a relatively hot topic, some lucky Exxon scientists predicted weather patterns correctly - but how many other scientists tried the same and got it wrong? Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 15 January 2023 8:00:48 AM
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An Exxon spokesman has tried to re-assure the public
and save its reputation that the company is indeed - "actively engaged in efforts to reduce emissions," And here's the kicker - "while providing affordable energy to the communities that need it." There you go. Can't be any clearer. Exxon made a record $50 billion in profits in 2022, according to preliminary data. I dare say it will continue in its current mode of operation for some time yet. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 15 January 2023 10:30:14 AM
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I am going to give a link to an article by Prof Ian Plimer.
Now please relax you co2 sensitive activists, I know that you all get up in arms when you hear his name, so just take a Bex and have a nice lie down. The fact that there is such an uproar when he is mentioned probably means that you should take notice. This article he has written puts it all into the geological timescale. http://climatechangedispatch.com/what-climate-crisis-a-primer-on-earths-turbulent-climatic-past/ or https://tinyurl.com/yr4aveks There is something there for even the most rabid global warming fanatic. Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 15 January 2023 10:52:27 AM
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Bazz states: "Maybe they started burning coal because it was so cold, hmmm."
Yes probably.
Current findings show: "ExxonMobil scientists correctly dismissed the possibility of a coming ice age in favor of a “carbon dioxide induced ‘super-interglacial’”; accurately predicted that human-caused global warming would first be detectable in the year 2000 ± 5; and reasonably estimated how much CO2 would lead to dangerous warming."