WTF?

Bazz,
Many of us on threads here have commented on Ian Pilmer in the past.

In summary, Plimer's views are not supported by the United States Energy Information Administration, the United States Geological Survey, the United States Environmental Protection Agency nor the American Geophysical Union would suggest that his opinions are very much outside of current scientific research.

Plimer is ,however, an outspoken critic of creationism which is a good thing and that would indicate that there is room for his scientific understanding to shift in the future.

WTF?

Yuyutsu states:some lucky Exxon scientists predicted weather patterns correctly - but how many other scientists tried the same and got it wrong.

It was not some Exxon scientists it was THE Exxon scientists.

Many others have in fact got it correct as well.

As scientific measurements became more accurate and as much more sophisticated reaseach took place the analysis agreed with that of the Exxon scientists.

As stated earlier: whereas those scientists worked to communicate what they knew, ExxonMobil worked to deny it—including overemphasizing uncertainties, denigrating climate models, mythologizing global cooling, feigning ignorance about the discernibility of human-caused warming, and staying silent about the possibility of stranded fossil fuel assets in a carbon-constrained world."

In 2019, hearings were held in the House and Senate of the United States (US) Congress regarding “oilindustry efforts to suppress the truth about climate change” and “dark money and barriers to climatechange."

Fester said;
My take on the Exxon Mobil attack is that it reflects the desperation
of the renewable energy industry.

It is not just the renewables that are in a bind.

The oil industry is in a bind, they have increasing demand and
an increasing cost of search and development of new oilfields.
Which is why they have given notice that in the long term they will
exit the oil industry for transport fuels.
It does not matter what the various COPnns decide the motor industry
has got the message.
The difference for those that do many 10kms a year it is an easy decision.

Oil has become too expensive to burn for transport usages and will
only get more expensive.
The difference in cost of fueling a car or truck with oil and the
cost of electricity is so great, even at our inflated kw/hr charges, that there is no competition.
If the EVs get cheaper that will be the end of petrol & diesel.

Hi Foxy,

Commodities are cyclical, and more tends to be published about profits than losses. Who is to say that the fossil fuel industry wont develop better low carbon alternatives than the welfare dependent renewable energy industry? The failure of Sun Cable probably had more to do with it being technically and economically unfeasible than a personality clash (but it was still a nice earner for some).

The civilisation we enjoy today is predicated upon cheap energy from fossil fuels. Attempting to move away from them is no small contributor to the current economic problems in the world. My guess is that low cost/low carbon will more likely come from profitable companies than welfare dependent ones, mainly as profitable companies are concerned with making things work whereas welfare dependent companies tend to focus on great sounding stories to keep the handouts coming.

As I said, if someone jumps up and down when Plimer is mentioned it
means a closer look is needed in this cancel climate.
Read what he has written then find articles that deny what he says
in that article. I would like to read it also.
Many elevated organisations, such as the BOM, are reluctant to oppose
government policy even indirectly.

WTF?

Fester indicates that Fester's ojections to scientific analysis stems from something that he read as a school boy and some predictions made in a company prospectus.

Now Yuyutsu talks about The Elliot Wave Theory.

The Exxon scientists and those that study climate change do not use Elloit Wave Theory in their analysis.

The fact remains that Exxon scientist as well as many others world wide were remarkably accurate in their analysis and predictions.