Cardinal Pell's life was not natural.
He was a polarising figure and his death
is stirring painful memories for the
victims of sexual abuse.

As for the Vatican and Pope Francis hating him?
Hardly. Cardinal Pell was very much at home in
Rome and was even given the task of cleaning
up the Treasury mess.

It is interesting ttbn, that you seem on the one
hand to defend the Cardinal's and the Church's
behaviour and then on the other hand suggest
that these people are capable of murder?

It is becoming more and more difficult to take
you seriously.

Father Jim McKay said at the memorial mass in Ballarat
that "We can't change the past." The past was immutable.
However he made it clear that " We can change the future."

Ley's hope and pray that changing the future as far as
the Church's handling of sexual abuse cases goes - will
be a change for the better for all concerned. It must be
done if the church is to survive.

Like all narcissists, Foxy doesn't take much notice of what anyone else says.

I did defend Pell, and I will continue to do so. I DID NOT defend the churches behaviour, and I never will.

Further I DID NOT suggest "that these people are capable of murder". I referred to a rumour that it could be the case. I think that it's very unlikely, and too Dan Brown to be taken seriously.

I suppose when she lives a fairy tale and has only the family to agree with everything she comes out with, she really is not equipped to deal with people who have opinions different from hers.

For me this discussion has now run its course.
There's nothing new that any of us can add that
hasn't already been said. So I will close
with these few words:

Cardinal Pell, a man ordained
For the church's failings he's now blamed
Nobody told him as he rose high
That without wings he couldn't fly
That without good deeds he couldn't soar
Nor little children would him adore

So within the church he wasn't revered
There were those who were scared
And many who sneered
There were the kids he failed to protect
Whose lives as adults became total wrecks
And thanks to him his church now remains
Lower in its membership, heavier in its chains
Perhaps one day understanding will arise
By following the actions of a previous Christ
The church in time may learn to teach
That love and peace is within its reach
But not while men within the church remain
Who look at humanity with disdain.

Foxy always says that the discussion has run its course when she hasn't got her way and has run out of bulldust and fairy tales.

She's run out of Cardinals to rubbish. The Pope will be her next subject, given his age and health. I'll get in early and say that he is the worst Pope ever, and I won't be defending him - mainly because he hasn't done anything worthwhile, but also because he is a dreadful lefty who chickened out on the CCP, or Xi himself, selecting Bishops in China.

Do you think Archy Pell and Dirty Old Father Ridsdale are once more roomies in heaven. Although Ridsdale kept a pile of obscene pornographic magazines in their rather small shared room in Ballarat, Pell claimed he had not seen or had any knowledge of Ridsdale's mags, it defied belief.

"Pell lived with Ridsdale for a time in the 1970s, accompanied him to court in 1993, and offered to provide character evidence for him. The royal commission investigated what Pell knew of Ridsdale's offending while Pell worked in the Ballarat diocese."