ttbn,

They're listed in the link Paul gave you.

Paul, Foxy,

The "Independent Australia" is a Blog filled by authors often with zero understanding of what they are writing about and whose work is never checked for factual accuracy.

Alan Austin is one of the worst offenders whose articles are riddled with wild inaccuracies and has been sued for libel. The only reason that he is referred to by left-whingers is because of his virulent attacks on conservatives.

Foxy

It was you - nobody else - who posted in these pages that Dutton told 15 lies.

Your references are irrelevant, as you would obviously not be referring to those that didn't agree with you (and the ones you use are probably where you got the information in the first place).

No matter what your sources say or think, you are the only one who has accused Dutton, on OLO, of telling 15 lies. It was not someone on Google who cannot be questioned or debated here. You took on the responsibility of making the accusation to your fellow posters. It is up to you to carry the can. Will you do that, and prove your sincerity by listing the lies? Or do you prefer to broadcast propaganda for other people?

This is becoming increasingly sad.

It seems that Foxy and Paul can't understand that there is a difference between a lie and a differing opinion. Of course, Foxy simply refuses to delineate ANY supposed lie, relying as she usually does on claims that the articles Google finds for her are definitive without either understanding said article or trying to show why its definitive.

At least Paul makes an effort to FINALLY, after who knows how many posts, offer an example of an alleged lie. He fails of course, but Paul even attempting to defend his claims is a major break-through. (Take note Foxy).

So Paul finds some obscure leftist (Alan Austin)who lists 15 lies in Dutton's speech. none of them are lies, just different interpretations of the facts, but this subtlety eludes Paul, Foxy and the author of the article.

Hilariously Austin complains that he "has searched for a mainstream media outlet that has exposed even one of these [lies] — without success." It doesn't seem to occur to any of our geniuses that these other outlets (even The Guardian!!) don't call them lies because...drum-roll....they aren't lies.

They are different spin on the same data. Take Paul's belated example. Austin claims that Dutton lies about the level of debt and uses a database that doesn't even have 2021 data. It also has 1442 different data series and Austin uses 1 (yeah One!!) of these. The others don't tell the story he wants. He's also careful to talk only about central government debt which, most economists will tell you, is the least accurate of all the versions of the data.

So what Austin says can be supported by a subset of the data (at least for 2020). But what Dutton says can also be supported by the data (for the more recent and relevant 2021). (I suspect I've lost Foxy/Paul by now).

As I've said, the authoritarian proclivities of people like Foxy and Paul are such that merely disagreeing with them is the equivalent of lying.

In the adult world that's not the case.

mhaze

Well said, and very reasonable. It's a pity that unreasonable people cannot be reasoned with; ideology and slogans is all they can manage.

shadowminister,

"Independent Australia" has been rated high for
factual reporting due to proper sourcing by
Mediabias/FactCheck. And Alan Austin is a freelance
journalist with a wealth of experience who's
living in France. He's worked not only in Australia but
in China and now Europe. He'also written for OLO.

ttbn,

As I told you earlier - there is a dossier of the lies
and falsehoods on the web and in books on the Coalition.
From Morrison to Peter Dutton. Their lies have been
documented. Paul gave you the link with the information
that you had asked for from an article that Alan Austin
had written of Dutton's lies. I used it on page 6 of this
discussion to show that the Coalition's tactics of trying
to spread fear and division not longer works with voters.

That does not come under the heading of spreading propaganda
as you imply. I also made it clear that it's your choice
what you choose to believe - and gave you extra links
for additional information. What you choose to do with it
is up to you.

mhaze,

More gaslighting from you.

Has it ever worked?