Your views are exactly the same as mine regarding Tony Abbott's comments Suzie and I have noticed on quite a few other subjects. You are a highly intelligent individual WITH people and life experience as you possess also a great deal of common sense.

I was about to key in the same points you have raised and I thank you as I do not need to repeat! Enjoy your week.

Warwick Marsh publishes a regular newsletter, via his Fatherhood Foundation website. Anyone who’s interested can sign up for it here: http://www.fatherhood.org.au/newsletter.html

However you should know that every time Warwick writes a piece for OLO, he’ll be begging you to come here and write in his support. The current newsletter contains this:

> Yours Truly has got himself into hot water again. The above article has
> been posted in Omline Opinion.
www.onlineopinion.com.au [link provided to OLO main page] I
> need a few friendly comments amid the accusations of my usual detractors.

If the comments here are any indication, the strategy isn’t working. In a previous discussion http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9402 at least seventeen loyal followers sallied forth under Warwick’s flag. This time I can see only two.

Of course Warwick is entitled to invite people to join in here, but I do object to his underlying assumption that being right is a numbers game – if only he can gather enough yes men, then he’ll be right.

The fact is that ideas have to stand on their own merit, and Warwick clearly thinks that his don’t.

woulffe:"if only he can gather enough yes men, then he’ll be right. "

It's worked for feminist activism, why not for Warwick?

Wow! what a lot of negative comments to an article sticking up for good. This is my first time using this forum and it took a lot of effort. I see Tony Abbott and Warwick Marsh as being open and honest. How many of you would be so open about your life? "Whoever is without fault cast the first stone." We live at a time in history where much good is called evil and much evil is called good; as is predicted. Tony Abbott has every right to say what is best for his children and of course this advice would be for his sons if he had any as well. He has learnt from his own life experiences as well as other places. As no doubt your and my opinions are from our life experiences as well. Warwick Marsh and the fatherhood foundation is about promoting the best for children i.e both a mother and a father. We probably all know of good and bad examples from shared and single parenting and he has every right to comment on the recent articles criticising Tony Abbott's parenting.
My own pre marriage experiences affected my marriage by my not being able to give my whole heart to my husband because I had given it to another until after wonderful counsel it was made know to me that it was a problem and I could apologise and rectify the situation.
Let's look for the good in people!
JennyM

The issue is not support but validity. You can always muster support for any cause - Hitler managed it all too well. The continuing posts and articles which do nothing more than villify women always manage to attract the usual cast of characters, even if it is spun and dressed up as villification of fatherhood.

Not a lot of self-awareness out there.

This smacks of wimp histeria to me. What is the big deal?
We work so hard to tear down anything that says there is a right way, or a better way. We tear down the very things that try and build a stronger society. The "whatever feels good for you is OK" ethic system doesn't work. And we know it.
I'm glad to see someone saying something different.
Abbott using his kids for political mileage?? Give it a break. He's a politicianbeing asked questions. If he said different you'd call him 'wimp' or 'hypocrite'.
And by the way, it isn't hypocrital to advise someone against something you DID but am NO LONGER doing. Think it through. A hypocrite is STILL doing it! Some one who knows they blew it and stays silent is the perhaps the worst of failures.
This is my first ever post ... anywhere ... Like many, I've been too busy trying to be a husband, pay the bills and raise kids right. There are lots who would agree who don't even have time to read articles like this, let alone respond. Truth is, most of them are too busy doing things of significance with their lives. They are living their lives to help others, not ignoring others welfare in order to defend their pleasures.
In all seriousness, if you can't stand the existence of a challenge to your morals .. you need some serious spine development.
Society is a mess! It isn't working! If you're feel-good-yet-justify-myself world means you can't see it, then I say bring on more like Abbott and Marsh.
The passionate denials and rebutttals screams to the validity of their point. I think thee defends too loudly! The statistics are clear, evidence is all around. We are self-destructing. The definition of foolishness is to keep doing things the same way yet expect a different result. Or does it feel sooooooooooo good that you want this carnage to continue?!?