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By Helen Dale, published 29/1/2010We should shame Tony Abbott for his hypocrisy every time he sounds off on moral behaviour.
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Posted by Leigh, Monday, 1 February 2010 2:34:32 PM
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"This generation lives in far more deadly times than back in the 70's when one did not have to be worried about drugs popped into drinks [water included by the way]!! Happens in our city to women of all ages [not inebriated at the time either]."
There always has been drink-spiking. While many people wouldn't see it as drink spiking, the most commonly used drug for drink spiking is alcohol. The most common reason is as a prank. In any case, I am very sceptical about this drink spiking furore. When I started drinking, it was just accepted that some nights you could knock them back like water and some nights a few drinks went straight to your head. Too many young people tend to explain nights when they couldn't hold large amounts of alcohol or otherwise embarass themselves as drink spiking. This tends to discourage personal responsibility, create un-necessary suspicion about innocent men and often wastes the time of police, nurses and doctors. Posted by benk, Monday, 1 February 2010 6:31:45 PM
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Don't you love these debates. Runner is consistent at least. I would love to see you one day actually debate a point without ignoring it by highlighting the faults as you see it of the 'other side'.
It is a bit like saying to little Johnny well yes you have just bashed up poor little Susie, but that's okay because last week Susie took Annie's snickers bar from her lunchbox. What a world that would be. It would be anarchy. No rule or laws just do as you wish, take revenge whenever you feel like it. Runner at least tell us why you think a women's virtue is more important than a mans. I am not being silly, I really want to know where this thinking comes from. Personally I believe both men and women should lead by example, no parent wants to see their kids being promiscuous, but that is big jump to declaring that only women should save themselves for their husbands. Husbands who may well have been running around (after who I don't know if all women are saving themselves) before marriage. Posted by pelican, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 8:25:23 AM
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I better comment first on the article.
I think it can be summed up as follows: Abbott gives his daughters old-fashioned advice that he did not follow himself. How dare he be such a hypocrite? As a father of young daughters I would give them very similar advice. As a young man I managed to refrain until marriage so I guess I'm allowed to speak on the subject. However, as has been pointed out - sometimes the strongest and most effective voices come from those who have had to go through the travails of the behaviour they decry. Since it has come up I will briefly stray off-topic onto drink-spiking (one of my bug-bears). Drink spiking certainly exists, but is FAR more rare than most people believe and, as Benk points out, the most common spike is alcohol (something many don't think of as a spike). A study in Perth last year found of 100 cases admitted to hospital for self-reported drink-spiking NONE had any 'spike' detected. See link http://www.news.com.au/drink-spiking-all-in-your-head-study/story-0-1225735783315 Invariably it turned out the only things in their systems were an excess of alcohol and sometimes recreational drugs they confessed to taking. The all-too-frequent cry of 'my drink must have been spiked' tends to diminsh personal responsibility and the legitimate victims. Posted by J S Mill, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 6:31:46 PM
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I’m not sure what all that was about! I “live and breath on another planet”; “I have no idea as to how easy dugs are dropped into a water or glass of alcohol.”
Then, “What generation to you breathe and live in Leigh?”; “You OBVIOUSLY reside in a little town and have nothing to do with ‘young people”.
You are obviously a very angry person, possibly because you have always got things wrong.
I live on the same planet as you do. Your comment is completely stupid. I do know how easy it is to drug a drink, and I know that it’s up to kids to take some responsibility for their won welfare.
Your children seem to have managed to take responsibility for themselves. Why are you making excuses for other teenagers?
My generation? Going on the ages of your children, I’m your grandfather’s age. I do not “reside in a little town” (why would that be a problem anyway). I live in a capital city.
Nothing to do with young people? I have 2 adult grandchildren, and 4 great grand children, so don’t try to tell me how to suck eggs, girlie. And don’t presume to think you know anything about people you don’t know, just because they don’t agree with your crackpot ideas.
Saintly Sinner,
You conveniently overlook the fact that I did mention males in my post. Don’t let that get in the way of your chauvinism, though. Your mention of certain dictators is idiotic and shows that intelligence is not you forte. You and your dopey mate above are just as hypocritical as a Tony Abbott, with a lot more ignorance thrown in.