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By Andrew Jakubowicz, published 7/1/2010Indians are angry not so much about the violence and exploitation but rather that Australian governments deny there is an issue.
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Posted by runner, Friday, 8 January 2010 10:17:00 PM
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What does it take to make a murder 'racist'?
A murder is racist when you can blame whitey. Posted by HermanYutic, Friday, 8 January 2010 10:55:07 PM
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runner: That's sickening on more than one level. One - singling out those perpetrators because they are non-Anglo. Another is that you have never seemed to give two hoots about victims of sexual assault; now you are implying it's an issue of concern because the accused are not white men. Like, as if white fellas have never raped anyone.
What does it take to make a murder 'racist'? HermanYutic: <" A murder is racist when you can blame whitey."> Actually that's correct but not in the way that you'd like it to be. The reason that there is no such thing as 'reverse racism' is that white people by default have power and priveleges - they have no extensive history of exploitation by other races; whereas the opposite has been the case. Therefore, when non-white people make a few gains that is fair enough in that they are redressing an imbalance. White people stand to lose nothing except automatic privelege. So please stop weeping into your hanky. Posted by Pynchme, Saturday, 9 January 2010 2:29:28 AM
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CJ: (Hiya CJ!) <"It doesn't matter whether the assailants are Anglo-Australians or members of other ethnic groups, if Indians are being targeted because of their ethnicity, then racism is very likely to be a causal factor.">
On this I feel compelled to disagree; and more so since the ugly KKK cartoon. I understand that racism needs to be investigated and until it is we can only speculate, but the only information available on any attack against an Indian person that I can find (link from the article) the name is not Anglo. It doesn't make the attack right; but we need to understand the ethnicity and belief system of the perpetrators because otherwise how can we address it as a community? Maybe we need to emphasize how intolerant behaviour is against the law here and against prevailing community ideals and all that. Just standing by apologizing while people portray all Aussies as KKKs (white supremacist nuts) is just not right and definitely not helpful to anybody; least of all people in the group being victimized (for whatever reason). Posted by Pynchme, Saturday, 9 January 2010 2:35:07 AM
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Hi Pynchme :) I'll have to disagree with you this time - I think that there is plenty of evidence of racist acts and sentiments by non-'white' people, in Australia and in other parts of the world. If you define racism as ascribing innate characteristics to individuals on the basis of inherent features such as skin colour or ethnicity, then it's certainly a phenomenon that's by no means restricted to 'whites'.
Of course, the kinds of racist ideologies subscribed to by many 'whites' tend to have far more profoundly negative effects on their non-'white' objects than the other way round. An Anglo-Australian police officer who refers to Aborigines as 'coons' is in a somewhat more powerful position than a Koori who refers to the cop as a 'white c*#t'. On the other hand, in India there is a well-described cultural preference towards light coloured skin, which tends to be expressed via the caste system (at least among Hindus). Japanese are notoriously racist towards Koreans (and indeed everybody else), while Han Chinese behave similarly towards ethnic minorities in China. The point is that it seems that Indian victims of crimes in Australia appear to be targeted because of their ethnicity, and if that's the case it is certainly racist. It doesn't matter whether the perpetrators are Sudanese, Koori, Anglo, Lebanese or whatever - if their victims are selected because of perceived 'race', then the crimes are racist in nature. Nitin Garg's murder was a particularly brutal and senseless one, since it appears that robbery was not involved. It's possible that he was killed by other Indians, but I'd bet London to a brick that he wasn't. Posted by CJ Morgan, Saturday, 9 January 2010 7:56:51 AM
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CJ Morgan,
A common sense reply which will be wasted on affirmative action ideologues like Pynchme. When white couple Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom were horrifically raped, tortured and murdered by a gang of five blacks it was not racist and therefore not a hate crime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom If the races had been reversed that would have provided sufficient proof for people like Pynchme of the necessity of hate-crime legislation. You will never win with people like Pynchme. Posted by HermanYutic, Saturday, 9 January 2010 11:26:43 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-hunt-teens-over-shopping-centre-sex-assault-20100108-ly50.html
IT is not a racist attack because the offenders are the wrong nationality.