LOL CJ Morgan

AND KRISTIN PLEASE TAKE NOTE.

In truth to me Jung along with Derrida, Freud, Germaine Greer, Hitler, Luce Irigaray, L. Ron Hubbard, Lacan, Marx, Muhammad, Ian Plimer, Sarah Palin and Morgan (CJ) all have this in common.

You are all first and foremost purveyors of taurine fertiliser.

You are, in the words of Peter Medewar, inhabitants of "Pluto's Republic".

Of course nothing you've said matches Irigaray's characterisation of E=mc^2 as a "sexed equation" because it "privileges the speed of light over other speeds that are vitally necessary to us"

In truth I was being more than a little disingenuous with my previous post. I am well aware of Jung's nonsense – for example that he once said

"The causes for the [sexual] repression can be found in the specific American Complex, namely in the living together with lower races, especially with Negroes. Living together with barbaric races exerts a suggestive effect on the laboriously tamed instinct of the white race and tends to pull it down…"

And yet Jung, like Muhammad, does remain influential as the brouhaha surrounding the sale of his "Red Book" illustrates.

See:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/25/books/25jung.html

Quote:

"…the breakout of the holiday book-buying season just may have been an elaborate, richly illustrated tome that records the dreams and spiritual questing of an author who has been dead for nearly half a century. The list price for this 9-pound, 416-page volume? $195."

Note that the other non-fiction bestseller was Sarah Palin's book and we have a fair idea of the state of intellectual life in the US.

Despite many examples of Jung's anti-Semitism there is even an Institute for Jungian Psychology in Israel.

Just for the fun of it, I did buy and browse this on my Kindle:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Undiscovered-Self-ebook/dp/B000OI17DW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=digital-text&qid=1262045215&sr=1-2

People still read this stuff!

Which leads me to Meyer's law.

The market for taurine fertiliser tends towards infinity.

You're onto a good thing CJ Morgan.

Work at it and like Hubbard you could turn BS into Bucks.

stevenlmeyer, you are going too far. I was not setting up Jung as the ultimate authority; I was simply showing that you were not the first to discern the similarities between the Nazi ideology and Islam.

CJ Morgan, the parallels between Mohammed and Hitler are striking. Both men

(1) Thought of themselves as having some special destiny. Mohammed thought he was God's messenger. Hitler thought he had been sent by 'providence'

(2) Founded ideologies that were intolerant of the 'other'

(3) Were obsessed by the Jews

(4) Led their followers into bloody wars

Perhaps it all boils down to the fact that both could be characterised as egomaniacs.

According to Hitler's architect and armaments minister, Speer, Hitler himself recognised the similarities between his ideology and Islam. He thought the 'Mohammedan religion' would have been more 'compatible' with Germans than Christianity.

Apart from Jung and Burckhardt, such leading intellectual lights as Waldemar Gurian and Bertrand Russell considered Islam to be 'despotic'.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make CJ. Are you seriously attempting to defend Islam or Mohammed?

That website "The Religion of Peace" really brings the elephant in the room right into focus. The years and years of relentless killing really rock my mind.

I have just checked through the last 24 hours of news posts on the ABC site and there are 11 current stories reported of muslims killing other muslims in various places.

It would be ludicrous to suggest it is really a religion of peace when umpteen years of documented evidence say it is not!

We, as a nation, should be talking about this, we would be foolish not to.

The following quote

'We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way; he is like Mohammed. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with wild god. That can be the historic future'

by Kristin is very timely and accurate.

However, it hit one of stevenlmeyer's raw nerve because Carl Jung was accused a Nazi sympathizer; this accusation is not really true.

Sir Winston Churchill the great statesman described with pin-point accuracy the true nature of Islam.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

Kristin: << I am not sure what point you are trying to make CJ. Are you seriously attempting to defend Islam or Mohammed? >>

Hi Kristin, and welcome to OLO.

As ever, I'm arguing for tolerance and against the promotion of communal hatred. Personally, I think that Islam is every bit as silly as any other religion, and that Mohammed was a person whom his followers have elevated to undeserved divine status. A bit like Jesus, only more violent.

Perhaps if you were to acquaint yourself with the way this thread's developed, you'd have a better idea of where I'm coming from.

Here's a tip: click on the "All" button underneath the posts.

And who says these discussions don't work?
What we're seeing is a major paradigm shift.
Under constant pressure from the facts, CJ Grogan's relativism has experienced a spasm.
"Mohammed was...(a) bit like Jesus, only more violent."
CJ tacitly acknowledges a difference between Islam and Christianity.
They're not the same!
Don't underestimate the significance of this seismic shift folks.
Relativists are NOT impenetrable to reason!

Back on topic,
it's interesting to note that the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain (CEMB),
which is a member organization of the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU),
has expressed concern over the Swiss ban on minarets:

"Far-right proposals to ban minarets are divisive, reactionary and in line with the 'Clash of Civilisations' agenda, which hands over 'Muslims' or those labelled as such to the political Islamic movement and denies the universality of the demand to live a life worthy of the 21st century."
http://www.iheu.org/council-ex-muslims-criticizes-swiss-ban-minarets

The IHEU outlines its strategy for dealing with the Islamic problem:

"Political Islam is a political phenomenon that demands a political response. This response must include targeting the discrimination, abuse and criminal acts that take place against children in Islamic schools, against citizens in Sharia councils and tribunals, against apostates and freethinkers, gays and women who are killed in the name of honour.

This response must demand a banning of Sharia law and Islamic schools, along with all faith-based laws and schools.

It must exert pressure on governments to stop appeasing Islamic states and demand that such states be politically isolated.

It must demand the prohibition of any kind of financial, material or moral support by the state or state institutions to religion and religious activities and institutions.

It must support those who are at the forefront of fighting the political Islamic movement.

It must demand an end to the promotion of cultural relativism.

It must demand that religion be a private matter.

It must call for secularism--the complete separation of religion from the state, education and legal system--as a minimum precondition for the respect of rights and freedoms in society.

It must defend rather than restrict universal rights."