Unfortunately, there's little point in trying to deploy reason and history in the face of TheMissus' idiopathic social philosophy. In the spirit of tolerance, I think I'll withdraw again so that she and the other haters can spout whatever crap they like, without needing to get all precious when others disagree with their poisonous views.

While I don't think there's much hope for Herman, I think the TheMissus could well benefit from formally learning a bit about modern history. I believe that adults can still enrol in such subjects at TAFE, and they aren't very expensive.

Of course, there's plenty of information available on the internet - but you need to know how to assess the quality of the information and analyses that are abundantly available. That can be quite difficult, even with the benefit of a good education - and close to impossible for the self-taught, no matter how clever they think they are.

Anyway, please feel free to express whatever ideas you like. It's always useful to be reminded of how the haters are thinking.

Philip Tang and HermanYutic,
You guys are really excellent at finding appropriate quotes and stats to bolster your arguments. I am amazed at the speed with which you guys can find material on the web. So I have a challenge for you. I wonder could you answer the following two questions, one of which involves simply finding and publishing a statistic, the other involving a little reflection. So here are the questions:

1. How many muslim civilians have been killed by US citizens during the past month? It would be nice if you could break down the statistic and give the numbers of children, as well as the total. Thanks very much - I am sure that this will be no trouble for you guys.

2. This is the question that demands some reflection: considering the number of muslim civilians killed by American citizens during the past month (which you will have researched and published on this forum - at least I hoe that you will have), could you explain why this is not front page news every day?

I'm sure this will be no trouble to you and I look forward to what you come up with.

Sayonara,

Kyoko

CJ Grogan's quotable quotes, just from this thread:

"unlike you haters"
"a soapbox for you haters"
"refrain from uttering anything hateful"
"I really hope that our resident haters"
"an insight into the peculiar workings of the hater mindset"
"hateful Herman"
"whatever vile, ignorant and hateful opinions you like"
"you haters want to be free to vilify anybody"
"reminded of how the haters are thinking"

My personal favourite is the intro to this one:

"In the spirit of tolerance, I think I'll withdraw again so that she and the other haters can spout whatever crap they like"

Bushbasher wrote:

"...as if one needs to be an expert to critique yutic's blatantly cherry-picking sleaze." (In response to my question as to whether you knew enough about Islam to tell whether quotes from the koran were taken out of context)

This is tantamount to saying "I don’t know what I'm talking about but I know I'm right."

'nuff said.

It is not clear to me in what sense Muslims in Australia are underdogs.

What is clear to me is that there have been a number of racist attacks in Australia. These include attacks on Whites by Lebanese Muslims and attacks on Indian students.

See:

BRUTAL TRUTH ABOUT ATTACKS

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/brutal-truth-about-attacks-20090610-c2dm.html

Quote:

"But the distorted story of white racism has been helped along by the prevailing sensibilities of reporting of crime in Australia, with skittishness about detailing the gritty reality that most violent street crime in Sydney and Melbourne is not committed by whites. The prison populations confirm this.

"The attacks on Indians have followed this pattern, with the crimes committed by a polyglot mix reflecting the streets - white, Asian, Middle Eastern, Aboriginal, Pacific Islander."

See also video footage with link.

The inability of law enforcement to control this is yet another indication that Australian state police forces are dysfunctional.

The Missus,

Don't mind CJ Morgan. He is long on epithets like "Islamophobe" and "hater" but woefully short on substance.

Kyoko

I have no idea how many Muslims have been killed by US citizens in recent years. But I'm pretty sure it is dwarfed by the number of Muslims killed by Muslims in places such as Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Pakistan.

In fact I am pretty sure that the number of Muslims killed by Muslims in Sudan alone is a multiple of the number killed by US citizens.

Doubtless you can construct a narrative in which all this killing is the fault of "the West".

Perhaps you would like to tell us how many Muslims have become refugees from Iraq because they belong to the "wrong" branch of Islam.

“How many muslim civilians have been killed by US citizens during the past month?” (Kyoko)

When you say ‘muslim civilians’ what do you mean? US citizens who are Muslims consider themselves as Muslims first and perhaps not US citizens at all.

A sizeable proportion of German citizens who are Muslims regard themselves not as Germans but Muslims. This pattern is true of non-Islamic countries all over the world. It is consistent with Islamic theology which tell Muslims that they are at war (physical) with non-Muslims.

The following is an example of a Muslim training camp in the USA to train Muslims (who are US citizens) to kill US citizens who are non-Muslims. http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.5079/pub_detail.asp

So you need to frame your question in a more specific manner.

Truth is that many Muslims inspired by the Qu’ran become warlike , they love to kill in the name of Allah. When they can’t find non-Muslims to kill, they kill fellow Muslims as correctly pointed out by stevenlmeyer.

From a very young age, many Muslims are taught to hate non-Muslims as uncovered by this video of an Islamic school in the UK. For this reason all Islamic schools should be banned in the West.
http://www.islam-watch.org/iw-new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=290:teaching-hatred-of-christians-and-jews-in-muslim-schools-in-uk&catid=112:mohammad&Itemid=58

Okay Phillip, Let me make it as clear as I can and as easy for you as I can make it.

How many UNARMED civilians of Iraq and Afghanistan have been killed by American citizens during the past month? I challenge you to look that up and publish it here.