There is something incredibly patronising in the articles by this author. He writes as if men's morale is all his responsibility.

We don't need a men's day or a women's day. If we do the things we do each day for recognition and praise then we are doing them for the wrong reasons. People do their work because they get a wage in return or they volunteer because it is satisfying in itself. Recognition and praise are never good reasons for doing anything and people who seek these things usually fail miserably at what they do. People who do things for the sheer satisfaction in itself are much more valuable to the community. They just get on with it and do not go round seeking praise or affirmation or hugs or any thing else that this author would like them to have.

Thanks for that Pynchme, you have restored my faith in humankind on this thread.
Looking back at my last post, it makes nursing sound like a terrible profession. It isn't.
I like to help people feel better- even anti-maternity men!
Cheers, Suze.

Gosh, nothing like a good gender article to bring out the martyrs.

Good men and women should be praised, good men and women are wonderful and both are necessary to society. It will take good men particularly to support society in reducing violence and make it into a social issue rather than a women's issue.

But please no more special days for this that and the other. Otherwise the intent becomes meaningless.

Hugs to all good men.

pelican:"It will take good men particularly to support society in reducing violence and make it into a social issue rather than a women's issue."

It has become a "women's" issue because the Feminist movement has coopted it to their cause. As long as we are prepared to discount violence against men and exaggerate violence against women it will always be a divisive and destructive issue.

Men suffer violence at several times the rate that women do and women perpetrate violence at about half the rate of men, especially violence against kids, which is predominantly instigated by women.

To move forward, we must get rid of the self-aggrandising, self-promoters who have managed to get hold of the media spotlight and have created a very nastily skewed propaganda campaign to their own purpose.

I will never support the White Ribbon Campaign because it denigrates men - all men. I will gladly support a "freedom from violence" campaign that is inclusive rather than exclusive violence siffered by males.

phanto:"People who do things for the sheer satisfaction in itself are much more valuable to the community. "

Yes, indeed, but altruism is not something that can be relied upon in individuals, sadly. It is even harder to find when the level of "satisfaction" is low, such as it is for anyone working on men's issues, with little support and almost no social recognition of the validity of their work, thanks to the corrupt influence of the Feminist bureaucracy and self-serving politicians. It's sad that Warwick was forced to set up a church to be able to fund his endeavours - all the Feminists have to do is register an "Institute" or an "Association" and watch the taxpayers funds roll in.

Anticeptic, why does domestic violence have to be a gender based issue with you(apart from this apparent conspiracy with feminists)?

Can't you just accept that it is males who perpetrate the most violence against women and children? They are physically more able to do more damage, and that will never change.

No one ever says women don't perpetrate violence, because of course they do. However we don't see hundreds of safe houses around the country for men, because there is no call for them.

If the feminists are working to provide an awareness for domestic violence against women and children, it is because for years some violent men have had free range on violence in their houses because they have considered the women and children within as their property, and it is no one else's business. And God help them if they dare try to leave him. Well, those days have gone.

What men's groups can do is to try something positive for domestic violence, and work towards providing 'cool down' houses for violent men. These places provide accommodation for the men who are taken out of their homes for the safety of all their family.
They are then taught anger management and various coping mechanisms that work towards having them return safely to their family.

I guess that would be threatening to some men though, because that would be admitting that there is a problem.

suxeonline:"Can't you just accept that it is males who perpetrate the most violence against women and children?"

No, because it's not true. Men perpetrate the greatest proportion of violence against women and other men, but women are responsible for most of the violence directed at children. moreover, male victims of violence outnumber female victims by at least 2:1.

Why can you not accept that these are facts that make the concentration on violence against women discriminatory?

As I said, I cannot support the White Ribbon campaign because it is inherently discriminatory and those behind it have a history of dishonestly reporting facts.

Why are you so scared of dealing with the problem of violence in a rational and just way, without feminist ideology?

Suzeonline:"we don't see hundreds of safe houses around the country for men, because there is no call for them. "

Erin Pizzey demonstrated very clearly that there is much less genuine need for "safe houses" for women than the various gravy-train riders associated with that industry would have us believe.

the rest of your post is nothing more than a man-bash. Hardly surprising...