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In praise of men : Comments

By Warwick Marsh, published 19/11/2009

Today is International Men's Day: 'The world needs men. Men are the key architect of our bridge to the future.'

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I've often heard the saying "If the world was run by women, there would be no war!" and sometimes wonder if this is true.

To be able to gain sufficient power to 'run the world' or even influence it, and assuming that we are talking about a world full of people like we have now (as opposed to pacifists), a leader will have to have certain characteristics. These include intelligence, influence, prestige, ability to take risks and to use force, ruthlessness and be egotistical. I believe any person, male or female, with these characteristics would be likely to use conflict as a way to gain/maintain power.

This is my opinion on this narrow topic, does anyone else have a view on this?
Posted by Stezza, Thursday, 19 November 2009 8:23:37 PM
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Human progress depends upon the intrinsic difference/balance between Men and Women.
History defines and confirms the contribution of both sexes throughout time.

Crossing over to the modern world, plastics are contributing through exposure to "phalates" (a softening agent in plastics) to a future generation of genetically modified men, that and more feminine, according to recent evidence from science showing a definable in-uteri change to the fetus.

Who currently feels the effects of , " the plastic age " most strongly today?
Mothers or men?. I believe men do. And are women for the first time in history at risk of a judgement error when they support the trend for a more feminine sort of male? .

Men are essential to human progress/survival, as are women ! , and science for preference or profit without regard for the natural scheme of things, threatens progress and the future for both/all sexes regardless of our trivial lifestyle choices.
Posted by thinker 2, Thursday, 19 November 2009 8:29:54 PM
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Suzeonline:"Anticeptic seems to suggest that it is only men that do the important, dirty jobs. Would you say that nursing and caring for the sick and elderly in our society are clean jobs?"

They're "nice" jobs, surrounded by "nice" people, in a "nice" environment. They have their own forms of "dirty", such as bedpans and cleaning drssings and the odd abusive patient (who can then be sedated, how "nice"), but they don't involve much risk and they don't involve much dirt or noise or heavy physical labour. No more than the average home, anyway. They can be very stressful and challenging, certainly and there's no question they're necessary. Women gravitate to them because they have been carefully designed to suit the demands of women workers since their first invention and because women, for whatever reasons you care to put forward, are drawn to "caring" roles, just as men are often drawn to more risky ones.

One of the worst aspects of feminism is the tendency to try to minimise at all times the role and the capacities of men, as well as to demonise the very sorts of workaday risk-taking that allows trades like tree-lopping to exist, as well as the more extreme sort that is required in warfare. If nursing or aged care is the riskiest, dirtiest thing you can think of to compare those with, then I think Warwick's point is made. I do agree with your closing statement in general, but this was a piece for International Men's Day, so had every right to focus on men. Not everything is about women, despite the best efforts of the bandwagon-riders to make it appear so.

Houellebecq:"they don't deserve their own day!"

Yes Dear...
Posted by Antiseptic, Friday, 20 November 2009 4:29:26 AM
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All this navel gazing and quotes like 'It is amazing what happens when men get together.'

Sounds like it's straight from a book club get-together passing around the talking stick. I had hoped men never fell for the example of self obsessed ranting about 'woman-hood' that women seem to love.

Are we all going to start off sentences with 'As a man, I think...'?

Or are we gonna 'celebrate' our masculinity? Perhaps stand around in a circle and jerk off together? Get over yourselves!

What is wrong with what we've always done. Get smashed at a pub, punch each other in the face and then have a laugh about it the next day? What's wrong with knowing we aren't 'special'. Who needs to be 'special' anyway.

We're just bloody people. Women are the 'special' ones.

Oh for the days when we were happy with being 'necessary'.

I'd prefer a man day when everyone just acknowledged, 'men; well I suppose they aren't quite as bad as all that. Just for today, we wont slag them off like we usually do.'

COl,

'Change the nature of the risk and those dirty “speculators” are demonised as the scourge of humanity.'

Poetic as usual.

Stezza,

'To be able to gain sufficient power to 'run the world' or even influence it, and assuming that we are talking about a world full of people like we have now (as opposed to pacifists), a leader will have to have certain characteristics. These include intelligence, influence, prestige, ability to take risks and to use force, ruthlessness and be egotistical. I believe any person, male or female, with these characteristics would be likely to use conflict as a way to gain/maintain power.'

Definitely. Women love to believe it though!

anti,

'Yes Dear...'

I'm thinking you said that a lot when you were married. Go and buy yourself a new power tool. You're worth it!
Posted by Houellebecq, Friday, 20 November 2009 9:44:27 AM
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I can remember looking through Triple J’s top 100 for this year (as voted by the listener). Nearly every song was a love song, and every artist except one was male.

Looking at the inventors program on TV, and nearly every inventor has been male.

Walking down the street, and nearly every building has been built by a male.

Looking around in the home, and nearly every device has been invented or designed by a male.

70% of the personal income tax collected by government is also supplied by males.

The evidence is constant and all around, and it has been this way for a very long time. In reality, it is mostly males who are the lovers, builders, workers, discoverers, inventors and designers.

However, it is very concerning that International Men’s Day is not being celebrated in the schools, when International Women’s Day is, and perhaps the culmination of this would be the feminist teacher at a QLD school who held up a picture of teeth marks in a chocolate bar on International Women’s Day, and said to the students that the picture of teeth marks in a chocolate bar represented “men’s violence against women”.

No stone was left unturned by this feminist teacher in their denigration of the male gender.

While huge volumes could be filled with negative comments made by feminists about the male gender, I have never heard of any recorded evidence of a feminist within any school or university ever saying one single positive word about the male gender.

This is at a time when boy’s marks are declining nationally, and many boy students are obviously de-motivated and underperforming.

The country cannot afford this any longer, and certainly International Men’s Day should be celebrated within the schools and universities as a counterbalance to any bigotry, miss-information, discrimination, prejudice and denigration of males being carried out by a feminist or anyone else within the education system.
Posted by vanna, Friday, 20 November 2009 12:35:09 PM
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November 25 is White Ribbon Day.

The day that men are encouraged (blackmailed?) into wearing a white ribbon to say that they are against violence against women.

Sounds fair enough.

Except that in all age groups men outnumber women as the victims of violence. Those figures are from the Australian Bureau of Criminology.

But the male victims of violence don't matter, according to White Ribbon Day.

Twice as many males are murdered than females.

But the male victims of murder don't matter, according to White Ribbon Day.

Around 80% of victims of self inflected lethal violence (ie suicide) are males.

Sort of really shows why we shouldn't bother have a 'ín praise of men' day. Because men don't really matter. They are expendable. Simple as that. Us males should just get used to that and not expect anything else.
Posted by Dougthebear, Friday, 20 November 2009 8:34:44 PM
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