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Driven by indignation at injustice : Comments

By Julia Gillard, published 5/10/2009

Collective responsibility and democratic action are necessary to ensure people can develop themselves and excel.

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Peter the Believer
Do you honestly believe in your posts if so then why not do something about it?
From your posts it seems as if you are a member of the Queensland Legal Profession then why be apart of a Fraternity that is prepared to continue that which is Illegal that was commenced in NSW?
Elements of the Legal Profession here in Queensland are prepared to get me at all costs just to keep a child from ever talking to his father again
What have these people got to hide and Why?
Many of the people tied to this case of my son have dubious pasts which give rise to serious concerns for any father especially when the father is not allowed to even talk to the child
Abduction and Kidnap are serious crimes it leaves a lot to be desired when all that come in contact with my Son's case are prepared to dismiss all of this and prosecute the father of the child
All that have come into contact with this case has now withdrawn because of "ETHICAL REASONS" then where are thier ethics when it comes to the complete cover ups of serious offences
Thanks have a good life from Dave
Posted by dwg, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 6:16:33 AM
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Blue Cross

We have the same objectives. I propose a mechanism to achieve them. The mechanism is a way to get more money into schools that is politically acceptable. I am NOT proposing vouchers but I am proposing a way that children can pay the extra money to resource schools appropriately. How the money is spent then becomes a matter between the parents and the school. The money I propose is tied to the school not to the child.

Our current system is one where those who can afford to pay extra for more and better resources do so and I make the assumption that more resources (money and assets) will mean that schools can do a better job because they have more choices in what they do.

You make the mistake of suggesting how money could be spent. To me that is an issue between the parents, the children and the school.

I am proposing a way for ALL schools in effect to be able to charge fees. I am putting a limit on the amount of fees a government school can charge by arbitrarily setting it at the rate of the private schools. I arbitrarily choose the highest fee paying (top) schools but you can choose something else. I then proposed a way for the money to be obtained for "no cost" to the government.

What the school, children and parents do with the money is NOT my business. The things you suggest are possibilities but I suggest it is not a good idea for the government to provide services instead of money. We tend to waste money when governments decide the details - as with the computers in schools program and as with a "hall" for every school latest initiative or with Howards a flag pole for every school.

Please read more carefully. It will achieve your objectives.
Posted by Fickle Pickle, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 7:21:52 AM
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<<A sense of indignation has always burned in me about what happened to my father.>>

Sounds like an unresolved issue to me. Why does Julia need to give a reason or an apology for her values? As Deputy Prime Minister of Australia, she needs to be absolutely secured in who she is, not craving indulgence for her ideology.

I’m more concerned with the ability of Julia in particular and the ALP in general to actually deliver something, anything.

We have seen Petrol Watch, Grocery Watch, Binge Drinking Watch, and Obese Watch as part of the 24hr spin cycle.

Fair Work is looking more like Work Choices every day, except for pandering to the minority workplace interests of Trade Unions.

The Education Revolution currently comprises more computers that the States have had to fund because no one thought of the additional costs of software, system support, network integration or system maintenance and just how new assembly halls will improve education is baffling.

The “Sorry Day” has turned out to be just that, a sorry day, especially in the indigenous housing, finance and health areas.

The ETS remains an uncosted liability to Australia; the need to “lead” the rest of the world at Copenhagen is now an ideological priority.

Border Security is another Elephant in the room, not because of humanitarian or logistical initiatives, but because we created the “perception” for the people smugglers, that it was game on, Doh!

Federalism and the States is a one way street, the States get more public money and then tell our PM to get stuffed.

The county is mortgaged to the hilt and the debt legacy for many generations to come is horrific. The government has done the precise opposite of what it preaches to the public, spending out of financial hardship would cripple Australian households yet we applaud it from Government.

Whatever Julia and the ALP are doing (or failing to do), it’s working magnificently. The ratings are through the roof. Obviously the majority of Australians don’t look for results but love populist tokenism. It’s the NSW ALP all over again.
Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 7:33:56 AM
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Spindoc..."Why does Julia need to give a reason or an apology for her values?" is an easy question to answer.... she has none of her own anymore, having ditched the marginal 'values' that membership of a) the ALP and b) the Socialist Left faction of it might have once indicated.

Like Tanner, Gillard has become as right wing as Craig Emerson or Paul Keating, or Latham, or the Ferguson crew for that matter.... not forgetting the abject incompetence of the 'shining star' of the SL, Jenny Macklin, who must surely realise that she is even worse than the 'orrible corporal who led the invasion of the NT with his racist plan.

And the entire ALP has slipped into being, as it was under Hawke, an excuse for business and the status quo.

And for Fickle, we'll just have to accept that we see issues differently. Charging fees in public schools is not the way to go. Public education is a public good, private education is just another commodity for private benefit. Public education is a subsidy to industry and the entire community, private education is a curse on the community.

And you have not explained how you'd decide what are 'the 20 best private schools' yet.

Use Julia's league tables?

Another Howard policy pinched by Julia because Rudd so loved the Howard values, both being such earnest and loving Xtians.
Posted by The Blue Cross, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 8:00:06 AM
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<<Driven by indignation at injustice>>..i must add that you put up the heading without much forthought...see the posters here react..chosing a more clever heading..would have solicited better response

so lets look at the heading<<Driven>>is a word that yells excessivly[and persistantly...of ten wisdom comes in wispers..but not alone are you chosing the firest mindset of the reader into the manarchial of driven..your driven<<by indignation>>>lol

my dearest clever julia...you have nothing to be indignant about...they fawn upon you like you were jesus himself/the golden child...lol...you poor indignant little helpless puppy

you are very/near running the cuntry..what cause have you to indignation..if you helples what of us useless eaters.....

admitedly im indignant that you rule..under..the bankers..that stole our silver/made govt pay ursury/intrest..lol on its own funds...given our bonds and ursury..yeah im induignant too

but you..could pass the motion to buy back the fed..under right of seignorage..you know constitutionally ONLY gold and silver coin is LAWFULL...not mere legal tender...you... have achieved greatness..far beyond your station.../you have recieved well because you acted against not at..injustice
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 8:44:14 AM
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Blue Cross

What I should have said was the top 20 schools in terms of amount spent per child per year including capital costs.

You are NOT reading what is proposed. You think I am talking about vouchers. You think that I am saying children get vouchers that they then spend. That is NOT what I am saying.

The "fees" are paid by the community through "loans". The loans are notionally repaid through the taxation system. In other words the objective is for every child to have near enough to the same amount of money spent on them no matter what school they go to. If the private schools increase their fees to parents then the state schools increase their fees. However, if you go to a government school then you notionally "pay" your fees through a scheme like HECS except that you notionally (your taxes do not go up) repay the loan from your taxes when you earn money.

If you decide to go to a school that charges fees directly and not through "loans" then the amount of fees you can pay via loans drops off.

I know it sounds strange but it is done this way to fit in with the book-keeping regime that our economic system imposes on us and we have to live with the current system where private schools gets money from the government. That is not going to go away.
Posted by Fickle Pickle, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 8:54:09 AM
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