UNDER ONE CLOD.
She actually went back under her own initiative to try and re-connect with the people she came from, and was appalled with what she saw. Her younger sister was also considering going back but after what her sister told her decide not to.What i heard may be word of mouth, but it came to me directly from the horses mouth from the person herself. It might do you good to visit some of these small and often isolated communities and see exactly what goes on[ i have actually visited a couple myself during the course of my employment a few years ago, on the railways], HAVE YOU.I believe her parents are dead, she certainly could'nt find them. She went on her own and said she felt unsafe while she was there, even though she is a full blood herself. These predominately aboriginal communities are not safe, particularly after dark. A few years ago i walked through a place called Willcania after dark, a bloke at the country or sporting club there couldn't believe that i had done so, and insisted on giving me a lift back to the motel.
The god i believe in would be happy that 5 of his children are being brought up properly instead of in squalor. Perhaps the god you believe in would not.Perhaps you could enlighten us as to which god you consider yourself to be under.

Divine_ MoreSameNonsense,
To condemn the people that are displaying the end results of pious pompous fools that have ruined the people by the continual removal of children does not stop the problem.
First The Indigenous never had grog but they drank it to drown the hurt that the Cops Business people etc(the respectable people) that went to the camps & supplied the grog so as to have the young girls & boys while the parents were drunk on the grog supplied by the respectable people of the white communities. Add to this the removal of our children for over a century. What do you think is going to happen.
The young girls of today are doing what Peter Costello said one for mum one for dad one for the country add to this the rapid decline of the morals of our society then see where we are going.
You have offered no answers to how to stop this sh/t in society just let all keep going with this DRUG life & keep taking the kids. What do you think is going to be the case in a century of this occurring in the white people. Guessed right the same as we now have with my people.
Then again you would be dead by then & it wouldn't matter to you it would be the children & the children of these that would have a grossly inflated problem.
To fix a problem you fix the cause I suggest you get a copy of the Senate Report then you will see where they say that the removal of the Stolen Generations, The Forgotten Australians I call it "The Stolen Innocences" that the depression of these peoples affects virtually every Australian Family. Then get a copy of John Bowlby Attachment & Loss then even your pious mind should be able to equate the results.
Thanks All Have a good life from Dave

dwg - you don't make much sense but here goes ...

I propose ALL children, regardless of race or creed who are abused and neglected should be supported within their 'family' - ONCE. If despite that support, parents continue with the abuse then those children should be permanently removed and offered to suitable adoptive families.

At least with relatively early SERIOUS intervention the child gets a chance at living a safer life, having their needs met and entering young adulthood with basic education and life skills.

I am totally over the stolen/forgotten - whatever generation. There is opportunity and assistance available to indigenous people that whitey can't access and don't deny it. A cousin of mine is married to a man of mixed cacuasian aboriginal heritage so I have been told about and seen some of the 'perks'. I don't begrudge this - rather feel proud of them both as good people who have used opportunities wisely.

Remember - during this era many white girls giving birth out of wedlock had babies 'stolen' from them under social policies of the times. These babies were adopted into nuclear families and more often were better off than if they'd been raised by a biological parent. I was one as were my 2 brothers (one who was 'coloured') and out of the couple dozen other adoptees of similar ages who are members of my large close knit clan or friends of many years standing, we are no worse off than any of our peers reared by birth parents.

Some of us have traced biological families. Others chose not to. Interestingly my brother who was probably part aboriginal (though that was never revealed to my parents) died in a car accident aged 19. We had discussed tracing his birth mother/parents so after his death I contacted JIGSAW, the agency which linked adoptees and birth parents. Wrote a letter offering to provide information, photos but no-one ever came looking.

Anyway Dave, cast off the 'poor me' attitude, go about making positive impacts on your community and I guarantee you a good life!

Divine_msn
Regards the "poor me" attitude my whole fight is not the hurt that I have nor the hurt that I have suffered it is about the hurt my Son is
& has suffered
You spoke of education my son entered high school grade 7 doing his reading & spelling from grade 2 his maths from grade 3 good education aye(sorry TPP) further the woman that has my child raised my ex,you should read what she states she suffered at the hands of this same woman. My son made himself physically sick for his parents while in the care of independent carers. The supervisor of access couldn't handle the distress that my son displayed when having to leave his parents to such an extent that if he was to continue he would have to review his position(8years as a prison officer & never seen distress of a child like that before)
Like I have said contact me direct & I will send you all the evidence that you want.
Removal of children from parents is only to be in extreme cases fix the cause of the family problems & keep families together.
Adopted children can have serious problems when it comes to medical treatment as the adoptive families are different blood & different inherited problems
My ex was using drugs since thirteen & was on the street going to parties & having sex by 12-13 years old & started having sex while still in primary school.
The mother that raised her has my son so much for moral standards
Dave

Devine:”I propose ALL children, regardless of race or creed who are abused and neglected should be supported within their 'family' - ONCE. If despite that support, parents continue with the abuse then those children should be permanently removed and offered to suitable adoptive families.”

You allow a test like “if…parents continue with the abuse”… not cool. You can’t leave an abused child with the “abuser” while everyone gets better. Can you imagine how unheard and how undefended a child being forced to remain in the home with an abuser would feel?

But yeah – I get that you mean help the family though, being sure before long term care comes in to question. Long Term basically is an open adoption, semantics going on and Long Term brings an allowance until 18 years old if you adopt after fostering a child for two years.

NGO’s can have better projected income. 18 years! The business development managers and chief financial officers would be laughing, hey someone has to.

What time frame for each parent to get better and how better?

The word “suitable” is the biggy. No one is predictably suitable. The test at the other end is after the child is placed; how is the child. Who checks, monitors etc? Let’s not send in the financial officer or development manager eh?

Nothing is simple here, nothing cut dry.

I don’t think Dave does have a poor me attitude, he seems to be explaining what history knows, white man brings alcohol then gives you a reason to drink it.

Pied Piper - Good questions! Cases of severe and extreme abuse - calculated and chronic? No second chances! 'Open adoption' for these kids? No! Suggest child be given necessary info on their background and assistance to contact biological family after age 18 or after 16 with adoptive family and professional support.

Lesser abuse and/or neglect where REAL assistance has potential to turn the situation around - this should be vigorously pursued. If the child needs temporary removal, time limit applies (I say 6 months). Parent/s to have appropriate visitation access under supervision. Extended family should have opportunity to be first care choice - if willing and SUITABLE and be involved in rehabilitation and ongoing support.

If after every effort made to remove/improve circumstances that contributed to abuse, the parent/s have been uncooperative and not met their obligations to the process, the child should be offered for adoption - asap.
Otherwise returned to the parent/s and the family monitored and supported for at least 5 years.
The "Big Stick" - this is one and only chance. IF the child suffers abuse or neglect requiring removal again - there's no return.

Suitable adoptees? Plenty! They spend millions trying to adopt kids from SE Asia, Africa, India, wherever, because there are b-all available here. To be assessed suitable adoptive parents, a couple must be proved stable, solvent, healthy (weight limits apply), within age range, no criminal history and in some cases be the 'right race'.

I believe in open adoption under careful terms and conditions. Children MUST be told they are adopted from an early stage and meaning explained. Older adoptees would need monitoring and the adoptive family supported where necessary. Few kids in this situation would not have 'issues'. Infants unable to remember their origins would not require as much.

So there's my basic solution. Bet it would work far better than current 'solutions'. Bet we'll never see it happen though ....

("Not flesh of my flesh nor blood of my blood, You did not grow under my heart but in it." My adoptive mother's explanation of her feelings towards her children)