James
I am sure Amnesty International would disagree given their campaign history particularly in those countries where the political processes are corrupted.

Are you really serious in your statement that feminist ideology enompasses the belief that men are not worthy of human rights? Could you point me to your sources

Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 2:13:32 PM

Firstly Amnesty International, use to concentrate on political prisoners usually in third world countries.

My reference I should clarify is the most of the first world, english speaking, usually when feminist talk about human rights, it is women and human rights. Men are not mentioned unless they are portrayed as abusers, infringing on womens human rights.

Now what are my sources?

there are books titled

Spreading Misandry
Legalizing Misandry
The war against boys
The sex change society.

There was an article published on this site "The Dissing of Men."

Typically feminists grossly exaggerate certain claims and they do this by dissing on men. Certain recent articles published in the newspapers recently, rely on unreliable statistics and inflammatory annologies to point their point across.

I hypotheses that if men dissed women as badly as feminist dissed men, there would be a hue and cry for blood by the feminists.

"I hypotheses that if men dissed women as badly as feminist dissed men, there would be a hue and cry for blood by the feminists".

I don't agree if OLO is a blueprint for what men really think.

The problem as I see it on OLO is that some posters use the most radical of feminist arguments and make it the norm. I could find as many unpleasant men talking negatively about women and say that all men are misogynists but it would not make it true.

When we lose reason we lose any real means of fixing the world's woes and gender becomes just another divisive tool when the real issues continue to be ignored. Sometimes gender is an issue but recognising the plight of women in particular situations is not spreading misandry.

Many high profile issues affecting men have been highlighted in the media including prostate cancer, shared parenting and fairer family relationship outcomes, depression and much more. Paying attention to men's issues such as prostate cancer does not mean that we are ignoring (say) breast cancer. The same goes the other way around. It is not a competition to see who is the most hard done by or who is getting the most attention

Pelican:"recognising the plight of women in particular situations is not spreading misandry. "

It is if men in analogous situations are not recognised. That is the situation that applies in western countries today.

You say that "some posters use the most radical of feminist arguments and make it the norm"

It IS the norm, that is the point. Look at any newspaper article, press release, political statement and you'll see radical feminism normalised. In terms of violence we have had the PM himself telling us "violence against women is never acceptable" while never mentioning the far greater number of male victims of violence. When the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics put out a report showing that violence perpetrated by women results in 1/3 of hospitalisations for DV and that women's violence toward men has increased by well over 400% over the past few years it was buried by the press, with no analysis or further investigation done, whereas if a report is released showing that men fart more than women it'll be all over the press for weeks.

We have enormous Government funding given to women to form "alliances" yet when men form networks we are told it's patriarchal.

When a child is injured or killed by a parent it is all over the news for weeks if the father is perpetrator yet disappears almost immediately if the mother did it. Look at the recent tragedy of the 7-month old twins in Perth. The News Limited Press couldn't even bring themselves to print that it was the mother for a full day, referring to the father coming home and finding his dead babies and his "partner".

Men are expected at every step to conform to a feminist ideal - there is no longer an option for men to set their own standards or come up with their own ideals. Any attempt to do so must mean we're "bitter divorcees" or "misogynist" or at the very least, not REALLY a man.

No one is saying that a lot of women don't live terrible lives, but so do a lot of men.

Resources help many but men with breast cancer suffer in silence.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25783798-2862,00.html

It is only in recent years, that men's health has started becoming an issue.

Previously feminists had made a lot of noise, claiming that female health was neglected by medicine. Which is not supported by facts if one considers that in most Australian cities there are a number of hospitals that only admit and treat women, in other words the only patients these hospitals have are female plus or minus new borns.

< Sometimes gender is an issue but recognising the plight of women in particular situations is not spreading misandry. >

whilst this may be true in certain instances, Sue Dunlevy tried to apply the principle that women would be worse off than men in this recession, she wrote her article before employment data was published that showed that the majority of people who lost their jobs were men, not women.

Sure some women may be worse off if the male who lost a job was paying child support to her.

James
That statistic is not relevant if there are more men in the workforce in the first place which would not be surprising given that more women are homemakers/carers than men.

Also what about the women who are raising their children without any support from their partners? If they lose their jobs in this economy they become "those dreadful single mothers" who sponge off the taxpayer.

Antiseptic, I don't think it is the norm so we will have to agree to disagree. I can certainly see situations where men are disadvantaged.

In the case of child murder, perhaps when women are the perpetrator there are issues such as Post Natal Depression which indicate an unsound mind. This does not excuse the act because no matter the reason the outcome is just as tragic. In the high profile case you referred to, the man concerned was acting in response to family breakdown where the motivation was purported to be revenge or spite.

Where women have been guilty of the same they have received just as bad press. No matter the gender I guess it is the motivating factor that determines how the press portray the incident.

Women cop bad press too. If they are free with their sexual favours women are considered 'sluts' or 'loose' and treated with scorn (even by men who are the benefactors of this sexuality). Whereas men of a similar ilk are perceived as 'studs' and there is much camararderie about the sexual conquest.

Both genders live with their share of discrimination.

The only way to get past all of this, as individuals, is to simply treat others as we would like to be treated in all our dealings and hope that others will do the same.

pelican:"In the case of child murder, perhaps when women are the perpetrator there are issues such as Post Natal Depression which indicate an unsound mind."

This is trotted out every time a woman kills or injures a child, yet if a man does it he is rarely held to have been anything but malicious or at the very best, negligently careless of the safety of a child in his care. Situational psychosis or reactive depression is rarely accepted as a mitigating factor for men.

It's a classic case of the double standard in which women are held to be less mentally stable than men, but still more trustworthy as parents. If the first is held to be true, how can the second also be? Obviously it can't, which is why mothers and those associated with them are responsible for most child homicide, abuse and neglect, yet the Courts still accept the argument that you put forward.

pelican:"In the high profile case you referred to, the man concerned was acting in response to family breakdown where the motivation was purported to be revenge or spite."

Actually, it was the mother who was responsible, with the father coming home from work to find his dead babies and a mother who was drugged out of her mind. Never mind, she was probably postnatally depressed, the poor thing... The Westgate Bridge tragedy was massively reported, yet a woman strapped her 2 year old to her and jumped from the same place only two weeks earlier and got almost no press.

pelican:"Women cop bad press too."

There is a large contingent of "Feminist" journalists, which is hardly surprising, given that "Women's Studies" is a mandatory part of the curriculum. These people routinely suppress stories that they perceive as unfavourable to Feminism. Perhaps that is worthy of a separate topic.