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Stand up to your man : Comments

By Helen Pringle, published 8/7/2009

'Shush girl. Shush your lips. Do the Helen Keller and talk with your hips,' is not an appropriate anthem for 21C girls

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SJF, what's the problem. You were on sentry duty and had the gender war opening salvo covered.

As for research on DV, probably not worth the effort. I've posted that stuff often enough and I don't recall a single time that there has been a genuine attempt at rebuttal of the material or evidence of research which has demonstrated an attempt to remove collection bias which also shows the overwhelming gender disparity in DV you so love.

I assume that you would use the usual tactic of pointing out that the model is not perfect whilst ignoring the problems associated with not asking men about their experience of DV when doing surveys, of ignoring the problems associated with assuming it's justified and self defense when women do it (but never when men do it), ignoring the problems with describing non physical acts as DV and assuming that only men can use words to hurt etc.

Thankfully I think younger women are waking up to what power feminism has been doing and not taking you it seriously.

Cornflower I got the impression that the students were probaby stirring someone who had made their gender millitancy a little to well known as well.

Possibly the article title put me off, I wonder if the author picked it. Sometimes we do need to stand up to a partner but if it needs to be that way too often then it's not much of a relationship or partnership.

Those subject to genuine DV should be able to speak up in safety (and if a glassing did occur then that would qualify). Those determined to stay in a relationship where DV is present will always have a problem and I doubt that society can ever do much about that without doing greater harm.

Is there any reason to believe that the woman in this situation is physically afraid to leave Bird, that there are indications that he poses a threat to her safety if she ends the relationship?

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 9 July 2009 8:19:12 AM
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Ah good ol' Greg Bird. A guy who trys to pin something he did on his mate and asks 'how do you feel about that?' That's the line of the century.

But I'm interested in the assumptions that are always made about this 'incident'. The term 'glassing' has been used by the media to paint their villain as someone who by definition smashed a glass into the face of his girlfriend.

Actually the true, northern English technique is to fracture the end of a pint glass to make a sharp edge first, then thrust with twisting motion at the face.

But what if (and I have heard this version of events from someone in a position to know) his lovely sweetness and light girlfriend came home in a drunk and angry, and started throwing glasses around (in true adorable, spirited, harmless woman style), and Greg reacted by throwing one back, which hit its mark. This would also go towards explaining the girlfriends reaction (and lets face it nobody really knows what happened), but sadly this doesn't fit in with the image we have of those violent thug footballers and domestic violence in general.

So, lets just stick with the deliberate attempt to disfigure a lover just because you can. Men have form for that stuff. It can be no more complicated than that, these things are normally pretty black and white.
Posted by Houellebecq, Thursday, 9 July 2009 9:20:28 AM
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I don't think the year 6 girls are so silly for wanting fame over 'substance'. By 11 years of age girls instinctively know that fame, money and sexuality = POWER. Women want power more than anything especially power over men. Look at how much power Bird's girlfriend has. She has the power to put a fit, wealthy and successful man behind bars - all on her say-so. Realising that he is not the orgre feminists claim all men to be, but is in fact a good catch (and excellent source of genetic material) she decided it's in her best interests to defend him. Feminists need not worry though. If at any point in the future she decides he doesn't treat her with the respect she deserves, she will leave and be 'entitled' to over half his earnings now and into the future. With his history no one will believe a word he says. Her word will be taken as gospel. She will be protected by the courts and legal system. She will get the kids; he will get the bill.
Why would 11 year old girls want to be doctors?
Posted by dane, Thursday, 9 July 2009 4:02:03 PM
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"The women of America … cannot hope to get anything unless they are willing to fight and suffer for it."

Please, please, please, pass this idea on to as many of your students as possible. Most young women these days seem to think that feminism means doing whatever they want and calling it "choice". It will get women no-where.
Posted by benk, Thursday, 9 July 2009 9:08:29 PM
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<Sexed up and dumbed down> Helen Pringle doesn’t seem to be able to accept the sexuality of her own sex. Two women alone in a room, one naked, one dressed in a sheet. Who is more intelligent? Probably they are both of everyday average intelligence.

Woman’s liberation makes this mistake of thinking women have to hide their sexuality to be intelligent. All women have bums and boobs whether you can see them or you can’t has no bearing on their ability to top the class in a university test. (Although it might affect the men's ability to do well in the test. That's their handicap not the womans.)

The fact is women have the power of potent sexuality as well as high intelligence somthing to be flaunted and celebrated not hidden from the light of day as though there is something not quite right about the existence of both. If men can’t handle the reality of women being both, tough. That’s their problem one they’ll have to learn to deal with. Helen Pringle shows in this article that she as a so called defender of women’s rights can’t handle it either.

Paris Hilton is eons ahead of women wearing black sheets and cowering behind netted hoods when it comes to the freedom to be a woman. I wouldn’t like to be the man who tried to make her wear that. She’d probably tell him to go take a flying leap at himself
Posted by sharkfin, Thursday, 9 July 2009 11:31:05 PM
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Helen expresses disdain in this article for Grade six girls wanting to be movie stars or singers. How wonderful that they have the choice of expressing themselves creatively. Being able to sing and dance on stage in public. I saw an item on the news not long ago where two muslim women sang and danced joyfully on stage in very modest neck to ankle clothing and two men thought that they should die for doing so.

Helen who professes her desire for the freedom of women seems to almost be in agreement with the muslim men in wishing to frown upon women doing these things.
Posted by sharkfin, Friday, 10 July 2009 12:05:22 AM
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