Thanks for the hyperbole Loudmouth Joe and your endeavours to paint the brutal dairy industry with a benign public "face" but the reality is obscene and I daresay that only those who reside under a rock would make such silly statements.

Either way the issue of livestock destroying Australia’s landscape and depleting precious resources remains unresolved and advocates for increased human population like to also obfuscate the fact that a lactating cow requires around 250 litres of water a day (source: SA Govt. Primary Industries.)

Water is not a concern of growthists who, in their feigned, collective ignorance, will tell us that there’s a massive amount of ocean which can be desalinated to cater for the burden of increased human populations and a subsequent increased burden of livestock to feed the hungry hordes which the growthists wish only to exploit for personal gain.

Currently marine biologists warn that widespread desalinization will take a heavy toll on ocean biodiversity; as such facilities' intake pipes essentially vacuum up and inadvertently kill millions of plankton, fish eggs, fish larvae and other microbial organisms that constitute the base layer of the marine food chain.

“Pigs being eaten alive by maggots: really ?”

Really Loudmouth Joe you’re a bit of an embarrassment to the cabal you represent. “Pig” ignorance is not an asset to any consortium:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/08/2565046.htm

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuId=146&ContentID=132383

“it's a sign that your belief in your own case is weak, covered up by over-statement.”

Big mistake Loudmouth Joe for my “over-statements” are in fact not mine but are sourced from credible authorities. I am merely the messenger, however, I note you are yet to present any case at all and you have also evaded the serious issue of desertification and soil salinity.

Australian bureaucrats(operating third world standard,regulatory agencies) captured by growthists who carry brown paper bags, are failing to address the ecological ramifications of population overshoot. In addition, the increase in desertification and salinity is further evidence of the ongoing shoddy corporate practices by those who believe it is their right to privatise, pillage and pollute our air, soil and waterways with impunity.

Divergence, any fool can successfully apply for a government grant.

The Exclusive Brethren, for instance, are funded by the Australian government, as is Right To Life. The British government funded a couple to set up business as psychics, as well as funding homeopathic hospitals. American governments have even given money to the Scientologists. Even Pauline Hanson can truthfully claim to have been funded by the Australian government.

Not exactly a winning argument, is it?

And Protagoras: You are surely a sign that the Gods have a sense of humour. Everytime I think you've made a complete @ss of yourself, you come back to delight me! Now you're getting in bed with the lying, hypocritical PeTAphiles.

Now go off and enjoy your organic carrot, but wash it thoroughly first: it's probably contaminated with almost as much bu11sh!t as one of your posts.

Cheryl comments "They are social engineers brandishing their ignorance in public."

Yes, that is an excellent description of the S.O.D.s! Their attempts at social engineering -- crowding more and more people onto this planet while ignoring the consequences -- clearly demonstrate ignorance of our history, our impact on this planet, the concept of a steady state economy, and our place in the natural world.

Thanks for that, Cheryl!

“Yes, that is an excellent description of the S.O.D.s!”

I’m in agreement Rick S - and an accurate perception on your part.

Alas my visual acuity has been traumatised by the irrelevant tirades and nancy boy hysterics from the clownfish (bottom trawler.) Nevertheless I’ve learnt that physical activity, such as leaping to one’s feet and moving arms and hands together in frenzied motion, can be a safe way of keeping awake whilst having to suffer the bottom trawler’s boring off topic, stupefying swill - which would surely make a grave yawn?

Cheers

Kali spera, Protagoras,

Why do doomist drama-queens so easily go off the topic ? No, I don't support desertification, and I wish that Adelaide didn't need a desalination plant. I don't like the idea of maggoty pigs, or pus-filled cows, and I'm not sure what farmer would either. I do support education for women around the world, in order, in a roundabout way, to reduce fertility rates (to get back to the original topic).

On population growth: Given that Africa is a very huge continent, I am not worried if their population rises significantly, maybe doubles or triples, especially if the population in European countries and Japan keeps falling, and if China's starts to fall as well, as older generations there pass away. Population is not really a big deal (wow: cat and pigeons).

On immigration: yes, we benefit from immigration by taking the skilled workers of other countries, but that's the choice of those workers: people shouldn't be forced to stay in their own country if they see better opportunities elsewhere. Where would many Australians be if they hadn't had that choice ? The country would be populated only by Aboriginal people, and Irish and Scottish convicts (my kids' ancestors, actually). If anything, our immigration policy should be relaxed, to take in far more refugees, who are greatly enriching our society.

So I wish I could live another hundred years, to see my coffee-coloured grandchildren and great-grandchildren, and socialise with their non-Anglo parents and grandparents, and laugh at the tanties of early C20 doom-sayers.

Loudmouth Joe

Yes, hit 'em with it Joe. It needs to be stated here, in the face of all their sinister insinuations on immigration, "race", and efforts at progress and development for all humanity. These guys pose a clear and present danger, the disastrous and murderous results of which the world has seen before.