Dear Ralph, I quote you,

(The "reduce consumption" and everything will be "OK" people, need to realize that this strategy is a monumental failure. I realize that it is hard to throw away your cultural baggage.... but we are not down to our last breeding pair. It is time for a reality check and help those species and the planet, we are destroying)
I hope you don't mean 'breeding pairs' of the many many that have already gone, and many now threatened as we destroy at an ever increasing rate, " in astralia at least".

Don't you see Ralph, that the destruction "Is Consumerism" it's for no other reason than that.
I hope I'm mistaken about the meaning of your post.

On another note.. all this talk about being left or green, greens are conservative don't you know.. it's the blue bloods that are the radical destroyers. I'd rather have Chris Milne and Bobby Brown running the country " even if it does mean i have to sit and wait for a rabbit to die of old age rather than being allowed to shoot it..." They can't help their anti gun rubbish.. you just wait it will be anti lipstick n fingernail polish soon... just wait..

Clownfish makes an incisive call on "environmental Calvinists"; uncannily, I was thinking of the Calvinist comparison a few days ago. The neo-Malthusians are "the Elect", aware of our wicked ways and the path to Salvation. To everyone else, well: "You're going to burn!"

But in this context, better to be fair to those more purist of Protestants. The neo-Malthusians' cheerleading actually produces a cacophony more like any frenzied din at a satanists' convention. Every means of depopulation is fair to them (except their own selfish demise of course), from enforcing greater impoverishment of families (removing birth and child benefits), to brutal cost-cutting on the health system, to corollaries in such "progressive motions" as euthanasia bills, to reducing further the already dire conditions in agriculture, manufacturing and infrastructure.

Imperialism has always been big on death - other people's, that is.

Great quote from Lewis, Clownfish. I didn't think the anti-pop cullers would still be at it.

Isn't it fantastic that they've decided that NOW is the time to start the cull. Not, say, three years before they were born, if you know what I mean. Anyway ...

Here's the thing, if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, its populations fault.
If you're single, miserable and can't get a girl/boyfriend, it's populations fault.
If you don't understand the great cultural contribution people have made, it's populations fault.
If you don't fit in and think the apocalypse is coming, it's populations fault.

Write almost any sentence in the negative and put people and population as the object ... you get the idea.

Is the anti-pops thinking simplistic, one dimensional nonsense? Sure is. Are they misanthropic? Sure are. They want to save us by culling us. Not on my watch pal.

Rant on, rant on you fools as exponential population growth and consumption exponentially rid this planet of all its natural resources and, who can tell, the the ranters along with all that other stuff.

I will miss the other stuff.

It is great to see a fair few minds with a bit of grey matter focused on the future.

Many of us change our position on "what's best" as we gain a bit more experience .

Let's have a close look at this " Growth is ALWAYS good" garbage.

Let's set our sights a bit higher for humans, [ and probably the natural environment ] by having Growth a bit lower !

Cheryl comments "Rick, mate, if there is one failing in the anti-pops it's the 'sheer numbers' argument. Not proven. Not by a long shot. Look, here's a clue that will give your argument some traction."

Cheryl, Cheryl, Cheryl. If there is one failing of the overpopulation deniers, it's the failure to deal with the 'sheer numbers' argument and the mounting evidence: the Sixth Great Extinction, aquifers drying up, collapse of ocean fish stocks, peak phosphorus, and the consequences of Peak Oil. Unfortunately, I suspect that the only "proof" the O.D.s will accept is massive dieoff of humans ( you know, more than the several million who die each year from starvation right now ). And even then, the O.D.s will be running around saying

"Oh good. We just had 5 million people die in this country, so we have room for 5 million more immigrants to make up for them. And everyone who lives here should copulate their brains out too."

or something like that. Yes, every cloud has a silver lining.