I fully support Sandra.

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Yes Kulu, the economy continues to grow while per-capita GDP falls. As you say, even in the best of times per-capita growth didn’t keep pace with population growth, or with GDP growth.

Here is the interview with Stephen Koukoulas: http://www.abc.net.au/insidebusiness/content/2009/s2591589.htm

All along, our economic growth, which has been prompted by high immigration, has given us a false economy with a false sense of achievement as indicated by that very highly flawed primary indicator; gross domestic product.

Per-capita growth has been in fairly strong decline for some time now, despite constantly growing GDP. But we don’t hear this from government sources. And neither do we hear it from the Greens!

Our Ruddiculous government has actually seen fit to slightly reduce immigration, which means that at least they can see that ruddiculously high immigration is having a negative effect in the current economic climate. Thank goodness for small mercies….I think!

Hmmm, ludwig, Sandra apparently now supports immigration and wants more humanitarian aid. Astounding as the Sustainable Australia website is covered with anti-immigration posts.

Replace 'growthism' with capitalism and you've got these jokers covered. They've got more angles than an echidna has spines. If you don't like the market economy, go to Cuba and leave your passport at the airport.

While I support the right to free speech, it's only free if you've got something sensible to say other wise it taxes the readers. The anti-pops are taxing as they don't have the foggiest idea what they're talking about. That's why Kanck has entered the fray - to minimise the PR damage.

They have no consistent line (except we're doomed). I've enjoyed the comments of my fellow posters in exposing the lunatic fringe loitering at the margins of the environment movement.

I say adieu.

A manipulative piece of obfuscation on Cheryl’s part. I would say it’s all part of a grand plan to keep control of the masses. Quite scary in my opinion and should one file these comments and articles under “Crimes against humanity?”

It appears Malcolm King’s only other outlet for article publications is “ Eureka Street”, a website owned by the Jesuit priests and his earlier OLO article “Planet Earth - babies need not apply” was published by Catholic News under the heading: “Opinion - Global green campaigns obsessed with population control.”

http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=13315

(Note link: “ Swine flu and Mexico's recent earthquake had been the judgment of God for that country's abortion laws, a visiting US priest told members of Canberra's St Christopher's Parish.”) Good strategy Father.......terrify the gullible masses and keep them breeding like rabbits to prop up a failing church.

And only last month, another Catholic Priest, Joseph Ndagijimana, from Kabgayi Diocese, central Rwanda, was charged for his role in the 1994 genocide. Ninety percent of Rwandans are Christian and 60% of those are Catholic.

Can we put Mil-observer’s hatred of Diamond and his account on Rwanda, down to the same maniacal ideology?:

http://www.ditext.com/diamond/10.html

Currently there are more child-headed households in Rwanda than in any other African country. Farmland continues to be divided among family members, and many Rwandans find themselves without enough land to support their families. Nearly half of Rwandan children suffer from chronic malnutrition – 19 percent struggle with acute malnutrition. At least two-thirds of the population lives below the national poverty line.

Those who doubt AGRA's forecast, that hunger will be halved by 2015 in Africa have good reason for their fears. Climate change, rapid population growth and shrinking farm sizes continue to reduce food production. In addition, in South Africa, this year, more than 80,000 hectares of maize crops failed - a result of Monsanto selling dodgy seeds to farmers though that's nothing new.

Worldwide, there remains 20 births/1,000 population and 8 deaths/1,000 population.

The Cross, the Omnicide and the Sixth Extinction?

And how the western-based financiers just love servile lapdogs like the yelping, submissive protag!

Rwanda has an economy strapped by cash-crop imperialism: the absurdity of vast fertile land set aside mostly for coffee and tea production, with unfair income stretched to cover meagre food imports and tenuous efforts at local self-sufficiency.

But such misleading filth as protag's has been disposed of already; it's only difference is its additional poison of anti-catholic bigotry. A priest as killer? As if the vast population of Catholicism (or any other religion) did not include some alienated, twisted minority of neo-Malthusians and their (more overtly) fascist comrades too!

Yeah, and a Da Vinci-code/Vatican "grand plan to keep control of the masses" i.e., by not castigating the masses as a burden, by not killing the masses off, by not reducing their populations to dysfunctional, grey, gay and drug-addicted decrepitude. How terribly and oppressively sinister of a Jesuit group to run King's article! Obviously the rancid one also pours itself another martini when celebrating news of large death tolls among poor mid-eastern muslims, south Asian buddhists, Orthodox Jews, Taoists, Hindus, Sikhs, or any other devout group that reproduces at healthy and competitive rates, relatively untouched by the degenerate cult of fake, non-productive monetarist economy and alienated, narcissistic individualism expressed so consistently by vain pseudo-aristocrats like protag.

One of you devoted neo-Malthusians should grab protag by its powdered nose and steer it onto that thread where I destroyed Diamond's claims about "Rwandan overpopulation", and Diamond's own offensive self-contradictions citing comparable and higher population densities in northwestern Europe, along with the preconditional determinants of cash-crop price falls and World Bank austerity measures! Oh, but we'll just blame those crucial factors on the number of poor Rwandan victims themselves; even Homer Simpson wouldn't be that lazy OR stupid...

While you're at it, tell it to make up its mind over South african crop failures: is that a population cause or the monopolist, non-reproducing seedstock made infamous by such usurer-extortionists as Monsanto?

What a confused, pompous git...

Dear Mil-Observer,

Regarding your last post. The emotion is fantastic. I can see your spittle fly! Why so upset ?

Protagorus is just stating the obvious. Don't be afraid of the truth........you will feel liberated when you overcome your "demons". I'll try this tack.

Where do you go to maximize the chance of catching a fish? Or catch that uncrowded perfect wave ?

There are plenty of people and always will be. Don't worry, a stable well looked after population will maximize happiness and minimize stress for all species.

Love and peace,

Ralph Bennett

Okay Milob. You have made your point that people concerned with population are moral degenerates, so how about arguing the benefits of a growing population? What is the per capita cost of providing infrastructure and education for an Australian living standard? There has been a strong belief by the major political parties that high population growth is very rewarding economically. Yet the massive immigration over the past decade or so seems to have left governments with huge infrastructure debts, incurred by providing for the extra people. How is this economically beneficial for Australians? Shouldn't we be pursuing a population policy that maximises the benefit for Australians?