Sandra,
It is great to see the subject finally debated - good luck !

As for the " pop-ullutionists " they too will eventually agree that science does not have the answers to the greedy destruction of the environment we depend on .

What made me change from my wicked bulldozing ways was to shift from the Great Dividing Range near Tamworh to an Irrigation property in Victoria, where in the interests of production, the previous owners had dilligently cleared 99.5% of it's native vegetation .

It was a fairly lifeless irrigated desert really .

It had always puzzeled me why a Sydney Computer nerd had bought up large areas of station property around me in NSW and hadn't cleared a stick - now I know why .

Holding my belly laughing at these latest posts from economic illiterates. This is from people who are anti-capitalist, anti-technology, anti-creativity, anti-education for women and they hate the market economy - and they're now quoting the productivity commission at me. ha.

And now they are saying people, aka, labourers, producers, workers, are sending us broke. Hmmmmm. We can't blame the education system for creating these fringe dwelling freaks drinkign mulled wine and stroking their beards in the Adelaide Hills. To get this twisted, you have to do it all yourself.

Lets call a spade a spade. The Unsustainable Unpeople Group (UGG) are racists, pure and simple. They have no program except culling.

Thank goodness, Cheryl.

For a moment there, I thought you were talking about all the reasonable and rational people who care enough about our future that they are trying their best to mitigate the disaster, and only promote humane methods such as education of women, and provision of contraception. But I realized that you were addressing the very few who may in fact be motivated only by a racist agenda. Thank heaven they are only a tiny, tiny minority among the many thinking people who really do care about our future generations. As for the rest, concern for the environment isn't necessarily politically left, but it's always right.

And remember, there are liars, damned liars, and economists. Given that the so-called economic "literates" were guiding the policies for various governments that led to the current meltdown, perhaps we should be looking somewhere else for guidance.

I must say Cheryl, you do make a very compelling argument for culling.

Back a while ago, I studied economics, (so I am not completely illiterate on the subject, Cheryl). We were assessed on our our years work, but the faculty insisted that the lecturer produce an exam paper. He put in the same one as the previous year. When queried about that, the opinion was put that the students would know the answer from last year's paper. "Oh no", he replied, "The subject is Economics, same questions, different answers".

David

P.S. Our angry friend has been suspended.

D.D.T.

"Thanks, Ralph and Fester. So, let me get this straight. Each additional person is adding to the national debt, creating more competition for increasingly scarce resources, and increasing the total ecological footprint of the nation. And we want more population growth because.....?
Posted by Rick S,"

Hi Rick,
The reason is your local real estate person, local & State Govt beneficiaries of re-zonings, land speculators, huge political donations from the above ( read the corruption of democracy), Business Council of Australia ( banks,"big business", ), Property Council of Australia , "open borders" Resistance/ Green labour Left boosters ( do they want 200 million overnight ?) and "numbers don't matter"...eat lentils and ride bicycles type confusniks.

A fantastic combination of the political right and far left......it is a staggeringly destructive mix.

That is a start. Capitalism just needs to be fine tuned a bit !

Sophisticated capitalist countries such as the Scandinavians ( although not perfect), have vibrant essentially stable populations and economies.

Cheers, Ralph

PS I forgot the Harvard MBA/economists disease. These guys provide the smoke and mirrors for their employers to con the gullible masses that sitting in traffic jams and being chained to huge housing costs is "good for us".