‘Since the U.S. has moved out of the bad-boy status, Canada and Russia have become the bullies of the climate change process,” said Angela Anderson, program director of the U.S. Climate Action Network. “In Canada, the tar sands is what most people are worried about because this goes against the goal of a low-carbon economic pathway.”'

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=aKecgoGFIH7Y

http://knowledge.allianz.com/en/globalissues/climate_change/top_climate_stories/g8_climatescorecards_2009_canada.pdf

“Leaders from the U.S., Canada and other G-8 members meet this month in Italy to discuss ways wealthy nations can support greenhouse-gas cuts in developing countries without harming economic growth.

“The G8, meeting in Rome this week, is weighing a pledge to limit global warming below 2 degrees centigrade, the level at which scientists say a deadly climate chain reaction becomes dangerously likely. Canada, Japan, and Russia are trying to veto the 2-degree limit -- and an immediate global outcry is needed to rescue it."

If you care about the planet, please add your name to the petition below and Avaaz will deliver it to the G8 Rome meeting this Wednesday and Thursday.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/tcktcktck/?cl=273716462&v=3631

Speaking of hold-ups and delays, did you see the ABC lunchtime news today?

It seems the IPCC is out of date and has missed the new climate consensus that it is already probably too late, and we've got to get below 350 ASAP (and are already at 385).

Climate institutes in Australia seem to be deciding, along with James Hansen, that we've already run out of time and gone past the safety limits, whereas the IPCC is stuck in the "10 years before it's too late and we can go past 450ppm" mentality.

We've GOT to get to a NEGATIVE carbon economy by 100% renewable energy, energy efficient cities that are "more European than European) (trams, trains, trolley buses) and heaps of Biochar sequestering Co2 in our soils. Beyond Zero Emissions is the mouthpiece of a very large climate coalition and run a Melbourne Radio show and podcast. Well worth subscribing to in iTunes.

http://www.beyondzeroemissions.org/

They cover all my favourite solutions to climate change, including Biochar.

Thanks for the links , now where do I go to make sure all your links are not Science Fiction ?
In Bendigo , a gold mining location in Victoria AU we have an opportunity to view what the World looked like just after the big bang ; on the surface we have just about every mineral imaginable some harmless others toxic by observing the mix it's hard to believe that an immense Forrest occupied all the Bendigo region , just imagine the toxic gasses in the atmosphere when the "Green Shoots" first appeared into what must have looked like the aftermath of hell ; yet they flourished and still do ?

How did you bond to the CO2 hype ?

Can you imagine what the Human cost is going to be when your program is applied ; shouldn't you justify your predictions with some science first ; given your actions might later be known as the 'CO2 Holocaust'
caused by Amateur Scientists and Fanatics .

Shaz,
I try to listen to the peer reviewed scientists from the most prestigious, conservative, thorough and credible scientific organizations ever, such as the Royal Society of London, and not the scientists they black ball as corrupt, unmethodical, inconsistent and utterly dishonest.

How does that sound as a rough guide for who to listen to?

So Shazza, Co2 hype?

Why couldn’t the candle warmth get through the tube full of Co2? If you think this is a hoax, go to your local climate institute (or phone around your local science universities, colleges, or institutes) and ask them if they have any science awareness days where they might be demonstrating the BASIC PHYSICS!
http://tinyurl.com/mvv325

It seems to me that IF global warming is wrong, it is one of the most successful and spooky conspiracies EVER pulled on the public and, well, heck, Aliens at Area 51 and a faked moon landing are possible. What’s YOUR reason for being such a science denying racist? Just how many extra African’s do you want to starve to death because of our Co2 emissions? Just how many extra have to die in super-monsoon floods, or die across Asia as the mighty agricultural rivers die when their glacial meltwater disappears? Forget rising sea levels, we’re talking about 800 million EXTRA people running out of food.

Also, if you’re right and there are no alternatives to fossil fuels then we’re stuffed anyway. Peak oil by 2015, peak gas a few years later, peak coal by 2025. We’ve just GOT to learn to live without fossil fuels for SO many reasons, and anyone that says otherwise seriously needs their head read.

Shaz – garbage in – garbage out. If you must make guesses to win an argument, why not make educated ones?

The big bang occurred 12 – 14 billion years ago. Land plants evolved on Earth about 700 million years ago and land fungi by about 1,300 million years ago.

"The appearance on the land of fungi and plants suggests their plausible role in both the mysterious lowering of the Earth's surface temperature during the series of Snowball Earth events roughly 750 million to 580 million years ago and the sudden appearance of many new species of fossil animals during the Cambrian Explosion era roughly 530 million years ago.

"Both the lowering of the Earth's surface temperature and the evolution of many new types of animals could result from a decrease in atmospheric carbon dioxide and a rise in oxygen caused by the presence on land of evolving, lichen fungi and plants at this time."

After the big bang, temperatures were between 20,000 and 100,000 degrees centigrade which is hardly conducive to plant life or any other forms of life on earth.

The Sixth Extinction is now occurring rapidly from man's plundering of fossil fuels, forest, plant, habitat destruction and anthropogenic hazardous, chemical emissions.

“Amateur Scientists and Fanatics.” The cap fits you perfectly Shaz and ignorance is as ignorance does. By the way, did you know that some 900 tons of mercury was lost to the environment from the early mining in Bendigo? Mercury has a life of some 350 years in the oceans.

So what better place to start digesting something about environmental toxicology than your home town of Bendigo where, during a water management analysis this decade, arsenic concentrations in Lake Neanger, Tom Thumb and Lake Weeroona (historic mining areas) were found to be 2 – 4 times greater than the upper trigger level. Mercury concentrations in the sediments were greatest at Lakes Neangar and Tom Thumb.

Mercury and lead cause neurological problems. With respect, perhaps you and lead miner Plimer (recently mutated into climate freak) need to have your heads read?

Protagoras, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 12:09:16 AM : replying to :

So you don't know where all the pollutants from that massive oxidation went , it was obviously much greater than it is today and of course we must not forget that your bigbang date is really not viable because our planet would not have cooled to current temp by the next day , that heat loss is still occurring .

The barrow your pushing demands we believe CO2 already has us cooked but apparently you can't explain where all the CO2 went ex Bigbang .

Radon Gas , my understanding is at dangerous levels is still being released from the Bendigo area ; where did this gas go ex bigbang ?

How come CO2 is not slurped up by very cold water at the poles yet there is still plenty of fish in polar regions .

I think the criticism being leveled at Pilmer is really a bit much , I have his book and I am glad I spent the 50 bucks ; what an effort I admire him and what an extent one would have to expect some mistakes .