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Heaven, Earth and science fiction : Comments

By Mike Pope, published 11/6/2009

To avoid following the polar bear to extinction, 'homo sapiens' would do well to reject the science fiction espoused by Professor Ian Plimer.

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Hi Jayb,
Continental drift occurs over MILLIONS of years, I think we’ll have time to adapt. Super-volcanoes cannot be controlled. Where we get our source of energy can!

You understand the power of exponential growth? 1% annual growth over one human lifetime of 70 years = a doubling of resource use. 2% growth is 4 times, 3% growth is 8 times the resource being used. Basically, when reading reports that claim coal reserves will last 132 years “At current rates” you should scream at the report “THERE HAS NEVER BEEN SUCH A THING AS 'CURRENT RATES' SINCE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION YOU MORONS!”

Coal is running out!

As the wiki says:

“However, the rate of coal consumption is annually increasing at 2-3% per year and, setting the growth rate to 2.5% yields an exponential depletion time of 56 years (in 2065).[46]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal#World_coal_reserves

But that ignores the concept of a resource “peaking”. Resource extraction does not follow a clear increasing line of resource and then suddenly STOP! Mineral resources follow a bell curve of extraction, where all the good, easy to use stuff is used first and all the hard, less economical stuff to extract occurs later. We move from a world of cheap coal to expensive coal only a year or 2 after it peaks, and prices will skyrocket! This will damage any economy addicted to coal.

I’m convinced peak coal is around 2025 to 2030 ish.
Check this SMH article claiming NSW coal will RUN OUT by 2042, let alone it peaking beforehand.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/reserves-to-dry-up-as-clean-coal-becomes-viable/2007/04/09/1175971023057.html

More on peak coal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_coal

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/052504_coal_peak.html

http://globalpublicmedia.com/heinberg_coals_future_in_doubt

http://www.energywatchgroup.org/files/Coal_English.pdf

You’re big on adapting? So let’s adapt! Panic will only happen in the unprepared denialist regimes. Adaptation means cleaner, trendier, more beautiful cities, energy security, “enough” resources for all and more community spirit. It’s all good.
Posted by Eclipse Now, Saturday, 27 June 2009 4:40:50 PM
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You’re big on adapting? So let’s adapt! Panic will only happen in the unprepared denialist regimes.

It matters not that a person is a Denialist or Panic merchant. We have to & will adapt regardless. Or, we will go the same way as all the other forms of life that didn't make it.

Adaptation means cleaner, trendier, more beautiful cities, energy security, “enough” resources for all and more community spirit. It’s all good.

I can't fault you there. But like the motor car. The world didn't go from the Model T to the Masserati in 10 years, it took 100 years. Environmentally friendly energy is in the pre Model T phase at the moment. At the rate of improvement of modern technology the world will close the gap in about 20 years & increase exponentially from there.

Don't panic. He who panics dies.

Be patient
Posted by Jayb, Saturday, 27 June 2009 5:19:43 PM
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1-Does resulting cooling, diprove predicted warming? Yes or no.
2-What would have to happen to prove the theory wrong?
3-Will you warmies obey the IPCC when they denounce their own theory soon?
4-How is La Nina "NOT" stronger than all of the magical forces of glowbull warming when it "delayed" glowbull warming?
5-Why is there not a resulting shortage of Oxygen from all of this combustion producing so much CO2?
Posted by mememine69, Saturday, 27 June 2009 9:14:54 PM
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MeMe,
If you were actually interested in answers to these questions you’d have engaged my answers days ago. I've already answered everything except question 5 which is MORONIC. How does 0.0385% atmospheric Co2 mean we’re running out of oxygen, which is 21% of our atmosphere?

Jaybe:
The renewable technology IS there now, we CAN do this over the next 10 to 15 years, and we HAVE TO before Peak oil and climate change get serious! YOU’RE the one who said it takes a long time to wean off fossil fuels and it cannot be done over night, and now you’re asking us to put it off for 20 years in the vague hope of "something better"? That’s inconsistent.

You have not proved a thing about climate change and are just dancing around the subject. THE CORE science is the solid, practical, mechanical science of spectrometry which measures Co2’s wavelengths of energy refraction back into the atmosphere. Co2 has one level of strength, methane has 21 times this strength and some CFC’s have 9000 times the strength, last 50 thousand years and might one day be used to terraform Mars! (But fortunately these PFC’s are EXTREMELY tiny percentages of the atmosphere or we might have cooked the earth by now!)

This is the same atmospheric science that might one day help us terraform Mars. Have you thought about that?

“He who panics, dies!” You remind me of this busker in a straightjacket on a monocycle, and telling a story about how we should not panic:

“My dad always used to say, “Don’t Panic, Don’t Panic” and one day we had a house fire. He was there saying “Don’t panic, Don’t panic” while we all ran around and got out of the house and he BURNT TO DEATH didn’t he?”

You’d burn this world if you were in control. Don’t panic, for sure, but don’t procrastinate when a REAL crisis hits and it’s time to actually do domething!

Spectrometry and the RFE and our leading climatologists are telling us to bring Co2 down below 350. It’s time to act!
Posted by Eclipse Now, Sunday, 28 June 2009 12:12:00 PM
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What would have to happen to prove the theory correct at this late stage of the game, here on the proving grounds of TIME? 23 years in fact.
This fake CO2 (as opposed to real pollution) panic, can't possibly go on for another quarter of a century. Now come on! At some point we have to start suffering the so-called consequences of your little proposed climate crisis. Elivs will come back sooner you freaks.
Give it up!
Seriously, to speak your language of following consensus, I’ll suggest you follow the tide of popular opinion in this non-science issue of global warming and see how quickly the perception is changing. Don’t be afraid because all of us deniers are former believers and so we know both sides of the issue. You don’t. You all seem bright enough and we look forward to you helping us rid ourselves of this modern day superstition of Armageddon.
History will mock anyone who ever thought global warming was real and I dare you to march with a sign that says THE END IS NEAR so we can all make fun of you.
Get ahead of the curve and be responsible environmentalists.
Posted by mememine69, Sunday, 28 June 2009 1:16:33 PM
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Well that's interesting, meme69. Eclipse Now answered most of your questions before you even asked them, then had the good grace to try again.

And what did you do? Consider those answers on their scientific and factual merits and give a like response? No, you turned around and had an information-free spray at "freaks" in the RANDOMLY CAPITALISED style of a UFO CONSPIRACy newsletter.

And I'll bet you wonder why no-one takes you seriously!
Posted by Sancho, Sunday, 28 June 2009 1:24:59 PM
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