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4) There are 3 large Volcanos under the Artic ice cap that have recently become active. This would account for the greater Artic ice melt.

Here's something that's worth a look at. It shows at time line. It's from Monash University.

4. Volcanoes don’t turn off with the seasons. Are you asking us to believe that the volcanoes “turn off” during winter?

No. But the Ice has been thinner over the last fer winters. I would say that the heating from the volcanic activity would have some effect on the thickness of the winter ice & a greater effect in summer. Seem logical to me.

Why did the IPCC and other groups ignore this?

Convienience. I don't know. Ask them. Some scientists only look at their own field of expertise. I had an enviromentalist one living next to me for years & he was as dumb as s#!T.

How far away from the affected region?

As far as I know there in the aritc sea.

What about GLOBAL increases in temperature?

What about GLOBAL increase in Temperature. So what? So people have to change & adapt. That is what life on earth does.

Increased warmth means more rain, more arabal land. Better climate. As I say, "if it doesn't start with a 2 it's too cold." More jungle to absorb CO2 & produce O2. There will be some changes. Some people will lose some will win. Some people will have to move & some won't like people moving. There will be wars. There will always be wars. Fact of life. But Climate Change is like the Government, change happens very, very slowly. So don't panic. He who panics dies.

Meme you failed to answer the question. I yawned at "You warmies bla bla bla..." and, due to sheer repetitive stress, fell into a short coma when I again encountered "for 23 years you've bla bla bla".

Meme, IF you are in debate with adults AND want that debate to continue there comes a point where you can't hog it any more and selfishly insist "this conversation addresses ONLY MY POINTS" like some 2 year olds tantrum. I've answered your questions, now you answer mine. HOW do they know what Co2 does with certain wavelengths of energy, and HOW do they calculate what % of Co2 adds what heat to the atmosphere? If you've read all IPCC reports, that should be easy!

Jayb,
You sound like you've fallen for the "It's too cold around here, warmer would be great thanks" myth!

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11657-climate-myths-its-too-cold-where-i-live--warming-will-be-great.html

According to the experts the reality will be very different to your rosy picture of a warmer world. In climate terms for our civilisation, "cold" is bad, "warm is good" but HOT is also very bad. Yes we'd adapt, but how many of us?

We are talking about sea level rises, agricultural collapse, MORE drought and famine (due to increased evaporation), MORE floods from extra rainfall in the wrong places, and the spectre of sea-level rises. And it is all totally preventable if we take strong enough action now.

I suppose you might not have house insurance, or have taken up smoking, and maybe don't try to keep in shape. All risk mitigation exercises.

I suppose you don't care about war, but I do. I'll tell you what, can you volunteer instead of me and my family please? I'd rather prevent various "bad climate" scenarios playing out by sensible energy, town planning and infrastructure policy. After all, why have we developed modern science, and rationality for that mater, if we are just going to blunder into every risk blindly reacting like dumb beasts? Your cavalier attitude astounds me.

Dear hysterical Full Moon, er Eclipse,
Wave lengths? Now you are trolling doomer. You may as well debate the finer points of what firewood is best for burning witches. Sticking your head in the sand and playing with silly details is a coward’s way of avoiding real debate and scientific investigation.

The theory:
-is 23 years old, so time’s up.
-is weaker than La Nina as it was “delayed” by La Nina.
-is not providing the climate crisis as promised and if you "choose" to believe there IS a climate crisis happening on our poor little helpless planet, well you then have another problem. Get help.
We deniers believe that resulting cooling disproves predicted warming.
Those points alone are good enough for us deniers. Now you go back to being the good childish doomer that you are.

Here we go again! One last time, for the dummies... (or is that trolls?)

"-is 23 years old, so time’s up."
FAIL! I’ve asked you before to demonstrate which IPCC predictions have failed to materialize. We are right on target. If anything, we are ahead of schedule!

"-is weaker than La Nina as it was “delayed” by La Nina."
FAIL! Show me where the IPCC says that global warming will completely DO AWAY with various natural systems? (Not that you ever answer questions... grunt grunt.)

Instead those natural cooling events cannot "cool" as they used to. Temperatures are up!

"-is not providing the climate crisis as promised"
FAIL! The historical FACT is that:
La Nina was TOO HOT for a normal event.
Arctic ice melt in 2007 was the worst on record
Pine beetles are ravaging Canada's forests
Permafrost is melting, releasing methane
droughts are drying Aussie bush faster than ever so that we now have to watch for MEGA-fires. (It took 6 months to dry the bush for Black Friday, it took only 2 weeks to dry the bush for this year’s disaster!)
Climatologists have INCREASED the level of alarm because global warming is running ahead of schedule!

We have to get below the safety levels of 350 ppm by using renewable energy. Only that will save us from the worst effects of global warming. That, or maybe a global pandemic that practically wipes out modern civilisation, but that's not something to wish for hey?

Now click your ruby slippers together 3 times, close your eyes, and say "There's no place like home" repeatedly and maybe the good fairy of the North will rescue you from your fears.

But for the rest of us, we'll stick with the REAL science and the REAL risk mitigation options we have to take.

(This is the last time I respond to you because your selfish trolling has bored everyone else off this thread and forced me to repeat the last few points again and again. You never actually answer questions put to you, and are just getting boring and predictable. Goodbye.)

Volcanos that produced Global Cooling. The nuclear effect.

1) Mt Warning, Australia. About 120 million years ago. The crator is about 200 klms across.
2) One in Alaska. about 20 million years ago. Collapsed dome is about 20 Klms across.
3) One in Samatra about 4300 years ago, Thought to be responsible for the migration of the Samaritian (hourse) people from Chinas western boarder. It created a dominoe effect of people movement that lasted for 2000 years.

That's just 3 mega volcanos that I know off, off hand.

I will state again. I do believe that alternate energy sources should be vigirously persued. Carbon energy sources should be phased out. But it can't be done over night.It has to be done gradually to minimize the economic effect. The Earth will recover. Such is the resilience of nature.

I have seen a graphic, which I can't seem to find again, that shows the possible effect of Global Warming. It showed that the tropical wet belt around the equator will extent out by 200 klms. The Artic ice will srink, but more arable land will be available for a longer period. The temperate drier area will shrink & move south & north, depending on which hemisphere you live in.

Therefore there will be more water in the Tropical and Artic areas to grow crops & harvest water to irrigate the drier Temperate areas. Therefore more crops to feed an increasing population.

Now theres something to worry about. Unsustainable population increase.

Remember, If you panic you die.

Teacher: Now little Johnny, you help us plant this tree se we can save the planet and stop climate change.
Johnny: You mean the IPCC’s; CO2 Climate Crisis Miss Liberalsatch?
Teacher: Cri..crisis? Yes, crisis?
Johnny: Ya, you know, crisis with more tropical diseases, sea level rise,
more storms and severe weather events, and species extinction, food shortages, chaos and most likely a violent death on a planet that is no longer sustainable. That crisis!
Teacher: Ya, I guess so?

Don't expect the next generation to wait another 23 years for these events to happen. Get ahead of the curve warmies. History will laugh.