Romany,

I don’t know whether a ticked-box-Muslim can be seen as a character reference for Islam, since it would seem likely that much of what you find good and nice in such persons would have to do with their acceptance of secular norms.

“Also in Malaysia… Hindi and Buddhist temples are situated often only a few doors away from Islamic mosques…”
True, but there are also cases of --a few doors down, there are the ashes of a Hindi temple or Christian church that was fire bombed by Muslim Militants.

And if David Boaz aka Polycarp (PBUH) was still among us, he would tell us stories about the lack of tolerance – and often downright persecution shown non-Muslims in Malaysia,and the situation in Indonesia may be even worse, though neither of them are Muslim theocracies.

After witnessing the number of deaths caused by secularist and the little value they put on human life I think most kinds of tribalism actually matches up well. Stalin, Mao and now the number of murdered unborn by secularist even makes the corrupt Catholic church (who killed millions of Christians) look not to bad in comparison.

Horus and runner

Both Malayasia and Indonesia are members of the Organisation of Islamic Countries (OIC).

The OIC is the voting bock of the UN that has displayed its intentions and relationship with western values and freedom of speech etc by the way it has repeatedly voted in UN forums.We should be deeply concerned at the way these is playing out.

Of particular note is the way the block voted at the recent Durban 2 conference on Human Rights.They have been successful in getting it passed to outlaw all cricicisms of religions were there was only one mentioned--- Islam.

The Durban 1 &2 conferences are also notable for the way the western countries walked out because of the strident anti semitcism etc

This article is another attempt by the auther to wash over the real facts. Its not Anglo-western tribalisms that is the problem but the primtive 15th centrury practices of something that is not a religion at all, but an ideology, being driven by ignorance and heaps of Saudi oil money.

Australians have every reason to be wary of any Islamic school.

BTW Islam is the State religion of both Malaysia and Indonesia.

Malaysia has the equivalent of the Jizya tax on non believers written into their constitution --hence the preferences to bumis

A secularist society and government doesn't necessarily insulate Australia degenerating into what many fear – i.e. loss of a perceived freedom. It is perhaps a little ironic, the Zionist movement was started by European Jews who were mostly secular nationalists. Generally they were influenced by colonial ideas about Europeans' rights to claim and settle other parts of the world. As with many tribal cultures, the Jews similarly believed in a racial superiority but attributed the reason for their status as being ‘God's Chosen People’ – forgetting in the process the ‘reason’ for this ‘message’.

It is often cited, “Western notions of democracy and freedom are in opposition to orthodox Islam”. This is not say, doctrinally, Islam doesn't directly contradict any other religion – for in fact it does. However, doctrinal disagreement in religion is not the point of condemning the establishment of a mosque in a secular state. Taken superficially, Islam, as with medieval Christianity appears to take on a totalitarian utopian worldview – where ultimately freedom of religion does not exist (as within many current Muslim countries). It should be remembered, freedom of religion did not exist in a period of archaic Christian ‘Catholicity’, where domination was achieved through political control. Modern fundamentalists of any brand, in reality, have no real inkling of the separation of church and state – certainly an accusation made (sometimes correctly) against orthodox Islam.

The Catholic (meaning all embracing) Church has now become only one of many churches. A belief, however, continues in prevalence – the notion that "salvation" is obtained through placing yourself in submission not primarily to ‘God’ but to your church and the doctrines it teaches. Perhaps the dilemma of a basic ‘belief in God’ arises – a good secularist should, however, be entirely objective. Giving due consideration to a mosque built ‘next door’ needs to avoid the irrational - even if this passionate theism (Islam) is perceived a political threat to many or any. Western nations boycotting of Durban 1 and 2 is where our exercise of legitimate political strength poses a threat to the immorality and reality of anti-Semitism.

So you cant have Kebabs without mosques? Mate I can make a Kebab myself, and I sure didnt learn it in a mosque. And please, explain to me the technical difference between a Giro Souvlaki and a Donar Kebab? We have one of the largest Greek populations in the world in Austtralia, believe me we really dont need Mosques to get ourselves some nice food.

And why is it that when asked to supply a benefit of multiculturalism we always get food? Is there no other benefit? Or are we plebs simply too stupid to figure out the other ones?

And Muslims in Sydney have plenty of right to maintain their cultural folkways, what do you call the giant bloody mosque that towers over Lakemba? What does that have to do with colonising Camden?

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Then why doesnt ours? Why do we simply have to "accept" things? Or are we the children of a lesser god?

When immigrants voluntarily move into Australia and then demand that we accommodate them and simply allow them to change the country to better suit themselves, I feel nothing but a deep revulsion and a sense of personal insult - as if we have invited invaders, rather than immigrants, into our midst.

I'm not sure what imbues Nursel Guzeldeniz with such arrogance, but her message to "Anglo-Christian tribalists", otherwise known as Australians, is essentially this: "If you don't like the changes that we are imposing on the country, too bad! Australia is multicultural now!"

Guzeldeniz even has the temerity to assert that Australians must relinquish their "Anglo-European-Christian" identity so that immigrant minorities can retain theirs!

After reading this particular article, one can only conclude that "multiculturalism", far from being about benign colourful festivals and exotic foods, actually means handing your country over to alien peoples and cultures and allowing them to do with it as they wish.