Glorfindel, I suspect the obvious solution may have escaped you.

>>...which leaves it to more or less fascist groups like the British National Party to raise the desperately important issue of creeping Islamization.<<

The answer is right there, in front of you.

"Creeping Islamization" concerns you, and you clearly lack a Party in which to place your political trust.

Since we don't have a parallel organization to those UK Fascists here in Australia yet, here's a thought: why not start one yourself?

It would certainly be more constructive than bemoaning the fact that our present political parties haven't yet descended to the level of the British National Party, would it not?

>>I wouldn't wish communism on a dog, and I feel exactly the same about Islam, especially if it means that the priceless centres of western civilization (France, Britain, the Netherlands and others) disappear down the toilet.<<

There's your platform, right there.

Muslims are, what, 1.5% of the population here?

And there are, what, 4% in the UK, 5% in France and 6% in the Netherlands?

Worldwide, what, 25%?

There's plenty of scope there for fearmongering and rabble-rousing, Glorfindel. Go for it.

But I am just a little surprised that you can be so familiar with nineteenth-century Russian literature, and not see the path down which your necessarily mind-poisoning campaign will take you. As you would be only too aware, it was but a short step from Dostoevsky's virulent pro-Orthodox, "pan-Slav diatribes about the virtues of the Russian Empire" (per Joseph Frank), to his blind anti-Semitism.

not..sure..if many recall crystal nacht..[where hitler burned down the reighstad..as the excuse/media-distraction..to do autrocities upon many peoples]..why does this come to mind when i read
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=2437

then i had a FLASHBACK:

Prof...at College..Found Guilty of STAGING Antisemitic Hate Crime
August 18,2004

On March 9th of this year,psychology Professor Kerri Dunn created a huge uproar..when she reported that her car parked on a campus parking lot had been vandalized...

She reported that her car windows had been broken,..the tires slashed and a“swastika”..as well as the words..“profanity-removed”..and..“PROFANITY-removed”..had been painted on the doors and hood.

It did not take long for the Jewish faculty,lesbian and homosexual students,..and the student organization Hillel of B’nai B’rith..to capitalize on the incident..and demand concessions..from the college administration.

Hillel representative D’ror Chankin-Gould..linked the incident to growing anti-Semitism worldwide..Swastikas and broken/glass[crystal/nacht]..trigger potent memories for..[PROFANITY REMOVED,”..he added...

The campus was closed for an entire day in order to,..''provide time and opportunity for our students and faculty to reflect..on the meaning and significance..of this horrible hate crime.”

The uproar suddenly subsided..when two students came forward to announce..that they had witnessed Professor Kerri Dunn..vandalize her own car

Antisemitic hate-crime hoaxes..are on the rise worldwide...Another occurred in France..just last month..when police announced the arrest of a woman..who alleged that she was the victim of a horrific anti-Jewish assault on a Paris train...reported that six men..had cut her clothes,..drew swastikas on her body and accused her of being Jewish..that..“the thugs also threatened her infant child in her baby carriage.”

The lurid attack had“stunned France”..and led to the usual outpouring of self-righteous fury and pro-Zionist hysteria.”.

The women later confessed that she had staged the whole thing.

Another occurred in New Zealand earlier this week when Jews desecrated..their own cemetery by painting swastikas on their tombs.

The incident was aimed at curving criticism..from New Zealanders after two Israeli MOSSAD agents were sentenced to prison for espionage and holding fake passports...

The..“hate crimes”..are used to instill guilt on gentiles..[goys]..and to scare their own community..into giving money to the Zionist leaders and to organizations such as the JDL,ADL and the Simon Wiesenthal Center

Pericles,

I despise your selective vision, your political correctness, your deliberate twisting of words carefully chosen and profoundly tolerant in intent.

I am hostile to the shopfront of Islam because it doesn't want to share the world, it wants to BE the world, and wants to rocket us back to the 14th century. I won't tolerate people who want only to abuse my tolerance. Thomas Mann said rightly "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." Think about it.

But then again, in your "superior" mindset, the word evil probably doesn't compute, does it? Just the same as when Jesus, taken before Pilate, tells him "for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me" ... and then Pilate, the so urbane postmodernist, asks him "What is truth?"

Views like yours are disease of the intellectual and cultural immune system. They represent nihilism, carping cynicism and bankruptcy of values. Together, they are one of the two main reasons for the decline of Western civilization. (The other is the unbridled permissiveness and failure of so many people to take responsibility for their own life choices: a preparedness to let bogan values rule.) Your sneering, hypocritical bent doesn't recognize your own cultural roots and seems indifferent to the determination of CANAILLE (Sarkozy's word: RABBLE) to destroy Western civilization.

I identify with Jesus' AFFIRMATION of life: "I came that they might have life, and have it to the full." What do you identify with?

I have contempt for your attitudes. I'm not interested in prolonging discussion with you, because you are intellectually dishonest and stand for nothing.

Come now Glorfindel, stop beating around the bush and say what you really mean.

>>I despise your selective vision, your political correctness, your deliberate twisting of words... , in your "superior" mindset, the word evil probably doesn't compute... Views like yours are disease of the intellectual and cultural immune system. They represent nihilism, carping cynicism and bankruptcy of values... Your sneering, hypocritical bent doesn't recognize your own cultural roots... I have contempt for your attitudes. I'm not interested in prolonging discussion with you, because you are intellectually dishonest and stand for nothing.<<

So, with that off your chest, back to the point that you so carefully avoid mentioning.

You wrote, using "words carefully chosen and profoundly tolerant in intent" transcribed here verbatim:

>>I wish far more people would come to their senses, forcing the mainstream parties to stop being politically correct, which leaves it to more or less fascist groups like the British National Party to raise the desperately important issue of creeping Islamization.<<

How should this be interpreted?

It says quite clearly that you believe that our political parties should adopt policies closer to those of the British National Party.

Does it not?

This is not about being "politically correct", is it, Glorfindel?

It is all about being "religiously correct", isn't it?

>>I identify with Jesus' AFFIRMATION of life: "I came that they might have life, and have it to the full." What do you identify with?<<

Leave out the Jesus reference, and I'm right there alongside you.

As long as the "they" he refers to is an inclusive "they" and not exclusive.

Now Pericles, you really must stop being so despicably rational and tolerant.

Thanks Relda.

Any problem with science is not within science itself. Science has brought many benefits and has led us away from ignorance. As I think we discussed before, in too many minds, science has somehow taken over the role of the arbiter of “all” knowledge from religion. The expectation is too high.

Render unto science that which is science’s… Render unto religion that which religion’s… And you we still have leftovers. Issues arise, where either party claims domain over the leftovers.

Science posits a methodology. Religion often claims to be intermediary between God and Humanity. The ascendancy of science comes about when science finds flaws in the intermediaries’ god-given knowledge. In earlier centuries, it was heresy to explain away the supernatural; e.g., the crystal spheres.

Nineteenth century science, which tended to reduce all things to mechanics, was deficient in a full appreciation of the abstract. Einstein really had one foot in the century of his birth, when he failed to recognize the significance of quantum mechanics. Moreover, what I have just stated is well know to science, wherein since the 1920s, science been far more willing to deal with the abstract. Modern science appreciates the abstract.

My previous post was meant to indicate that where quantification is driven by scientific theory, things tend happen more quickly, than applying mere numbers in technology. The invention the steam engine and the discovery of Pluto are examples of science.

Morality or immorality is the hands of the user; as such, we can have a CAT Scanner or a Hydrogen Bomb. Science is amoral. People and institutions impose vales. Science leads to efficiency and efficacy. Why? Because by the time of the Great Divergence “learned how to learn”.

I think sometimes Christians, who are scientists, because they have mastered abstract numbers, might feel scientific abstraction is analogous to their belief in an abstract god; perhaps, adding that others, who are less numerate, are tethered by the mundane, mechanical worldview, and by way of extrapolation, these unbelievers cannot conceive god: To do so is to confuse the abstract with the transcendental.