JamesH

Nothing in the 'Women embrace group sex: survey' should surprise anyone.

Your link refers:
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/lifematters/women-embrace-group-sex-survey-20090526-blpi.html

It makes it much, much harder to pretend that women are always victims of males. For many that knowledge is a blessed relief and a confirmation of their already positive, constructive and assertive approach to life.

I would wager that Four Corners reporter Sarah Ferguson will not be mentioning the survey and nor would Tracey Grimshaw (well not unless there are higher rating to be had). The survey results should come of no surprise to them in their industry. Then again maybe not, perhaps like some on OLO they really need to get out more. There are some very

So none of you champions of the "bun" will admit - even anonymously - to having engaged in such activities yourselves? Why not, if it's such a common and normal experience?

Well OK, I guess Antiwomen is honest enough to admit that he'd like to have a go, but that - strangely enough - he hasn't been able to find any consenting partners. Yabby's response is rather coy for such a self-professed libertine, employing the 'neither confirm nor deny' principle. R0bert finds the idea "grubby", but this may be because of the circle-jerk component - would it be less grubby if the lads just lined up and refrained from masturbating publicly while waiting?

Why hasn't Cornflower placed herself at the receiving end of a "bun", I wonder? Maybe she doesn't get out enough.

As for that "survey" - you are joking, aren't you? While a self-conducted poll of its members by an online "dating" site might provide light entertainment for the vacuous, it's hardly a reliable or objectively valid indication of attitudes out here in the real world, is it?

I'd still like to know why, if the "bun" is such a popular and unexploitative form of sexual expression, nobody here seems to have tried it.

CJ Morgan: "So none of you champions will admit to having engaged in such activities yourselves? Why not, if it's such a common and normal experience?"

I thought JamesH's link answered that in several ways. Firstly, it says in the body of the article: "most participants felt it was no one else's business but their own."

Next you specifically asked the question of guys. If the article is to believed the girls are just as enthusiastic as the guys, so why didn't you include them? The omission makes it look like a loaded question.

Thirdly, what has "common and normal" got to do with it? I regard my sex life as common and normal, but I am not about to discuss it here just because someone asks. Perhaps your point isn't that it is common or normal. But people do lots of things which aren't common or normal, such as run marathons. But we don't insist they justify it.

About the one relevance I can see to "common and normal", or at least we were open about it we would not be having this discussion here. It all started innocently enough, as sex between consenting adults. But if the reports are to believed along the way some forgot the rules of the game. Clare somehow forgot it is her job to say "NO" if she didn't like what was happening, and some of the boys participated uninvited. Two mistakes. If either hadn't been made the situation would not have gone wrong. If we were more open about this sort of stuff it is probable one side or the other would have followed the rules of engagement.

And since I am on a roll ...

It appears to me Antiseptic has won a round. His central theme has always been that the pots of money made available women victims are abused by some girls. He says he was personally at the wrong end of the stick in one such case, and so now he ceaselessly campaigns to have the womens support groups shut down.

I'll grant you it isn't a pretty sight. To me his solution seems like a case of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Yet it may be that what has happened in this case, and if so the consequences were pretty dire. Clare is getting compensation - 80% of her wage I gather. That is a pretty big incentive to behave the way she has. Certainly it would be enough for many people to leak the details of such as experience to the media to keep it going. She did this mind you even though she claims she now finds the entire event personally humiliating and embarrassing. And she didn't do it to get "justice", because she has never claimed she was raped. All very odd.

Nonetheless the resulting publicity she has generated may drive NFL team to bankruptcy, and and if so many people will loose their livelihoods.

"R0bert finds the idea "grubby", but this may be because of the circle-jerk component - would it be less grubby if the lads just lined up and refrained from masturbating publicly while waiting?"

Yep that still seems grubby to me but then in my own choices I've been somewhat conservative. Being tolerant of others personal choices does not mean I need to admire those choices or have a desire to make the same choices.

Some seem to fail to understand the difference between championing an activity and believing that others should be entitled to take part in that if activity if they choose. Some who on other topics would proclaim the rights of specific groups to engage in activities which others consider abhorent, morally wrong, damaging to society or even murder completely drop the bundle on this one.

Rob there is a murky line in there when it comes to the harm done to consenting participants vs freedom. I'm not to adverse to sanctions against smokers but then I often find myself breathing cigarette smoke without consenting to do so (and the economic flow on to the heath system is another issue).

If we want to sanction distastfull activities which humiliate participants and or non-participants then I'm guessing we could easily find much clearer targets.

In the case in point the spouses of married participants would seem to be the closest to being the victims yet the outrage about cheating on a partner seems much more muted than the outrage over the group sex. As far as I'm aware a past failure on that front is not generally a sackable offense in Australia.

R0bert

*Yabby's response is rather coy for such a self-professed libertine, employing the 'neither confirm nor deny' principle.*

So you want a response eh CJ, fair enough. I'll tell you what,
you find me around half a dozen cute 18 year old females with
perky breasts and I'm willing to do an experiment in the name
of Science and I'll tell you how it went :)