the truth is jesus died..[lest those who claim he died for our sins wish to reclaim them]so he physiclly died,..yet clearly his spirit lives on,..if only because he lives in our minds enough to discuss him in this living moment

jesus never said i am god..[let him be,called'emanuel'[god within us]jesus spirit lives in my mind..[gods spirit lives in my heart]..it is jesus who stains my faith,..and god who sustains my life

not the light but[to]bear witness;of the light]..just by living,our lives bear witness of the life sustaining light,..the logic of light/sustaining life sustains/my belief in the light]..the fruit of the light is my life..[is sustaining your life]too

i didnt make this up..[i live therefore i am]..this is a known-known[or a knowable-known]..science with all its theory HAS NEVER MADE LIFE,!..yet dares to speculate that life had a beginning from non life..lol

life begets life such is the evidence..[if you have faulsifyable proof/..non-life creates life please reveal it]

the holy-text reveals that life..[god]..sustains the light that sustains life..[even science has not rebutted this fact,..life came from somewhere..]

[thus the word records that life..[god]..breathed life into the clayman..[adam]and lo the clay lived..[science has only replicated life with the re-animation of life..[by using a living cell]..lol

life appears to die..[thus the messiah needed to'die'],not for our sins but for our grace,..that life be proved/beyond physical-life..jesus returned and said;see im not morte..[not dead]..thus we know we will all be born/again

but then comes some thief in the night stealing gods living gift to say ye must be born-again..[as in a bornagainchistian]..lol..which is a destraction from the mesiah's teaching..[for he did asure even a judean/thief..he too will be born/again[this very day,of his'death']

i note the complainers attempting to rebut the proof..talk of olden days..[but proof of life-after/life is in the realms of science/fact,

but it is not me that needs know you live on after death,but you to prove your dead...rebut if you will..[with your proofs dead is dead]..

but simpler or better..prove what is life..[as your claiming you live]yet i see your life is death

Oh dear, do I detect sarcasm, aga?

>>Pericles could you also please define evidence for us? That would be nice....What dictionary do you use?<<

I probably define it the same way that you do, except that I have subdivisions of evidence that I call "credible", "stretched-credible" and "incredible".

>>There is more evidence for Gospel accounts than anything else.<<

Well you see, that's where we disagree.

There are absolutely no contemporary accounts.

The Romans - much like the British Raj - kept quite detailed records of their administrations across their empire.

Not a whisper about Jesus.

Given the various deeds that were attributed to him, does it not appear extremely unlikely that they all passed unnoticed at the time?

Incredible.

>>Heck every Antony Flew believes in God now?<<

What, every one of him?

As far as your poster-boy goes, I find him far more convincing as an atheist, than he is as a convert.

“It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design”

A somewhat... unique, shall we say, take on a scientific breakthrough that most folk use to reinforce the logic behind evolutionary theory.

So far, I notice, Flew has managed to avoid associating his new-found God with a particular religion, but I suspect it is only a matter of time.

I wonder which one he'll pick, given there are so many to choose from.

I doubt very much Flew would actually cherry pick any of the religions in order to become a ‘believer’ Pericles – and he’s hardly a ‘convert’ to any. I fear aga chooses her ‘poster-boy’ from false presumption. He’s quite clear on his rejection of all alleged divine revelation, including the Bible, the Koran, and any other example you’d care to mention. He also continues to reject outright the ontological, cosmological, and moral arguments for God’s existence.

His suggestion in 2004 that, “…the case for an Aristotelian God who has the characteristics of power and also intelligence, is now much stronger than it ever was before" is hardly a straightforward polemic arguing for God’s ‘existence’ . Flew is perhaps somewhat similar to the late astronomer (and also declared atheist), Fred Hoyle, who also reminds us that physics and metaphysics are not mutually exclusive. Hoyle compared the random emergence of even the simplest cell to the likelihood that "a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein." It may be convenient to believe in the total randomness of events but it seems to be increasingly illogical in continuing to pursue such a line.

The resurrection of the boy Jesus before the Christ might be a better answer as far as compassion for others is concerned.

According to historians, so much since has been spoilt by the powerful colonial grab philosophy.

Sorry to be a tease, Regards, BB, WA.

One can say that it historically true the Herodians delegated the role ministering to Gentiles to descendents of the House of David. Pilate, Caiaphas and Pilate were historical people. Religious mendicants were common to the period. The description of crucifixion in the main is accurate. Place names and names of religious sects and practices in the main are accurate. There seems to have been some oral lore about a person called Jesus surviving him by a few generations, later to be documented to an alleged life lived: Even then, Mark, the earliest Nicaean gospel, does really give a biography. That is about as far history will take us.

G'day Trav, I'm not going to argue with you, my knowledge comes from reading, because of my psychological background I'm very interested in, “psychology in anthropology” and a friend is a cultural anthropologist. Google Herods history, I read papers by Jewish researchers who make the claim there's no mention in Roman, Herodian, or Jewish verified documents of anything withinin the NT bible as having happened.

Josephus would've been twelve at the time, he only writes his recollections as a young boy of the Jewish tribal riots, he would have been in the cradle at the time of jesus.

I'm sorry Trav, most historians don't agree with what you claim, it's the opposite unless they are themselves fervently religious and read what they want to be there, instead of what really is. If there were substantiated archaeological and historical evidence supporting the crucifixion and resurrection, it would be splashed all over the newspapers and TV's of the world and people wouldn't deny it. It's the same with your miracles, nothing acceptable to substantiate them, just hearsay. Yet there is no such claim, other than from those who hysterically babble out rubbish and false hope within churches around the world.

I was at an ANZAC day dawn service Saturday and someone invited a pastor to say a few words. The first thing he said was “oh god of love and peace” to which their was an audible groan from most of the vets. His statement is the opposite to the reality veterans faced in wars created by ideologies, mainly around religion. He was saying his god was all love and peace, whilst the evidence shows the opposite. That's the problem you face Trav, lack of real knowledge, no credible supporting evidence for anything claimed and yet you expect people to accept unsubstantiated and impossible fairy tales as truth. To achieve that aim, you have to have your argument based on credible evidence and you don't have any of that.