OUG,

Re:subtle changes in Genesis...Maybe the writer didn't want to become repetitive...Maybe it's a different writer...It makes no difference the Bible is still wrong!

If I was to believe in God...I would want to believe that God was good, a life giver, full of grace who actually followed through on his promises. But alas I see no evidence of this either in the Bible nor in the real world.

From God's perspective as expressed in the Bible God looks very unintelligent.

He creates man...knows all past, present and future events...places the tree of knowledge KNOWING man would fail and then blames woman and a snake for the failure....Isn't that a dishonest God?

He allows Satan to corrupt and ruin his creation...and for what purpose? Would you as a parent do similar for your child? It is illogical!

You ask...<<what need has god to impress/frighten man?>>...Well God shows exactly that need in Exodus 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 so the Bible proves you wrong!

You also say that...<<back then the Lord was blamed for everything>>..If the Bible is the Word of God he admits to many of the atrocities!

Your admission that...<<god allows EVEN Satan his freewill<<..undermines GOD as a power for good completely. If GOD chooses not to help innocent victims of all sorts of evil...then he is a failure! If he chooses not to OR can't defeat Satan then he should admit his weaknesses!

Then you go back and stop blaming Satan...so then GOD...(the ultimate Universal figure)...must be to blame for the atrocities. The Bible tells us he commits them so I guess you have proven my point.

John 3:16 contradicts your statement about..<<..god don't need..'belief..>>.. Believing in him is the condition for eternal life!

Why do believers believe in such an unintelligent God?....If GOD is good, and answers prayers let him cure "all the amputees" of the world.

Let's see all you people of faith pray for that to occur and let's see it happen.

If it doesn't it proves Jesus' allegedly saying in John 14:14: "If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it"...an untruth

there may be a clue in the two trees..[one is knowing..[good from evil]..as children we dont have that disernment..[but with growing up comes wisdom]...god seeks equals..it sounds an absurdity..no one could ever be equal...never the less god created such a one[adam]

but an equal must know..[as god does..the difference between good/vile,..if only to know for surety/..the light thing..was indeeed good..and not a terrible mistake.

lets take the first recorded transgression..[eve..and a dumb apple]...i have realised..eve has been severly wronged...for one god didnt forbid her..[for eve was not yet born,..when adam was forbiden to eat of the vine]...never the less,..lets say eve knew..[adam as her husband..according to later law's of mosus..[can..forgive a wifes foolishness]..

but also..as he is teqniclly..her father..[so too can a father forgive a daughter..her foolishness...but also in a third way..can a brother..forgive a sister a foolishness..[eve is teqniclly adams/clone]..

anyhow..the question is made clear..via the words of satan...DID GOD forbid?..and eve..no doudt wouldst reply..no adam did..GOD DONT BLAME NO ONE..lets presume him to know fairity..[if not his..'own'../mosaic law]

look arround us..[there is little left..of gods..'creation',..the lord /man/nature..have changed much...but anyhow..lets recall the advice..[gen..1;28...god blessed them...fruitfull/multiply..replenish the earth ANd subdue it...have dominion

re..exodus points...the pillar of smoke etc..burning bushes..is the lord..[not god]..[if you want proof of the type that led mosus,...see how mosus didst murder..how even today..those claiming to be gods/people..still murder/palistein etc

[in fact many look forward..to resuming the blood sacrifice..[who living isnt given to live from god?..[good/lifeGIVER]..recall by their works will you know them..[by their deeds and lips..they prove..to be far from..the giver of ALL LIFE...they maybe the lords spawn..[but not..the only..people of the living mercyfull..good[god]

the bible is NOT the word of god..[the book of mosus must be presumed to be writen by mosus..[not god]..ditto the other books..[its about god[in part..but not dictated by god..[even the quaran was supposedly from the archangel to mahamoud..[may peace be upon/all gods messengers]

god and satan..ARE/NOT at war..read job...satan..is as much beloved of god/[michael]..as you or i...satan hate us claymen..because we are so easilly decieved away/from..the all living/all loving..good/god

have..no doudt..not one of us..loves good/god..more than the temptor of the goyam..and the..'chosen'..all having feet of clay..[of little belief/faith]...satan has taught men..more/than any-other messenger

god is good..[but jesus..is..the messenger..that gives us the visual of gods good..spiritual/grace/mercy/love..[just as satan..gives us the vision..of vile..[hu-man/being...despite god/..loving them both..equally]...

you say..god dosnt help/..the innocent..[see how this earthy-hell..is like a prison...a place of spiritual-teaching..for those seeking to know/..this freewill thing

see in heaven or hell..there is love..and passion..to do our good or vile..but when/we want freewill..we get incarnated..here...we all get a life-sentance...anyone..who comes here../has had to reject god..to incarnate...

your thinking..this is an eden..[or..a niavana/..of some sort..[its not..it's..a prison-planet...where those rejects..from hell get a 2.de chance,..to..of their own freewill..seek atonement..[at-one-meant]

name satans/autrocities..[..prove satan/made it rain/or the brimstone...he isnt god..he is simply..the representative/..warder of this freewill state/..realm...for good..or ill..he is/a scape-goat..we conveniantly blame..till we realise..we did our own vile...vile..only we/can repent

god gives us/our lives,..after death good/bad..live on..[in h/h]..if belief,,is a...''condition of..'eternal-life'...how you/explain those living in hell..[who rejected god]...even a thief..has eternmal-life

back to that amputee..thing..[why should god do something science will be doing..anyday/now]..if only god..grew back..limbs/then science would have claim..to equal god...lol..what teachings..in regrowing a limb?

as i said..before..[re/the link..a course_in_miracles..prayer is more than using..our lips..[its a complete-visualisation..of only gods perfectness/..being the truth..[if we doudt..the prayer just cant happen..[read the course..it speaks about..prayer/conclusivly]...

we are so caught up..in the lies and divisions..our faith/reality..is as nothing...we dont even come close..even jesus deciples couldnt..do it..continuesly

witness the deciple../attempting to..walk on water..or cast out a persistant demon..[even jesus..didnt..regrow limbs...yet watch soon science wil do it..[as jesus said...the things,..ye do..shall be greater than..that i do..john 14;12..[and..he was right]...ever imagined jesus fixing..a computer?

but..lets see who he was adressing..it appears he was addresing his deciples..simoen/peter/thomas..appear to have been present...yet even then..we well know the lesson/of the doudting-thomas...no doudt we have billions of them...

if belief were salt..there wouldnt be enough real belief..to salt up the unleaven bread...let alone..make it rise..mary/baker-eddie [science and health]..is worth reading in regards to the topic