...look at your own quotes<<<..Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house,and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands,and his substance is increased in the land.>>note..ITS A QUESTION...so how did god answer

<<And the LORD said unto Satan,Behold,..all that he hath is in thy power;>>..is that clear enough,..all job has..WAS ALLWAYS..in satans power..[even satan dont get how fair god is to ALL]..only our living spirit is sacrosanct...<<..only upon him/self..put not forth thine hand..>>...the god rule is constant..

satan cannot affect us by his hand..but can mind fuc us all he likes...be it with words or by influence of others..[god gave satan power over all..but job's/him/our/'self'

please note no where have i found where satan doth strike anyone..[directly,..persona to personum..by personalised physical hand][unless abraham wrestled the devil..[not an angel]..

job wasnt GOOD/gods servant..[no love.mercy/grace..[he murded innocent sacrificial goats/lambs..[thou shalt not murder..[he didnt know the eternal/love of the true living good]..even beasts love their own kind

recall the christ said..love neighbour...not love your own

GOD hasnt handed us over to hate..[satan/death...we chose to get incarnated..to pass though satans realm..

[its the only way to get to true heaven]..all there..came though satans vally..[this realm]..and chose to reject its temptations of the flesh..conciously chose to reject the tempations of vile, conciously chose to love neighbour by loving good grace mercy

learn about atonement..[at one meant]..that we do to the least we do to god..[we are all entertaining angels unaware]..by forgiving others we forgive ourselves

as the quaran says to each nation was sent its messenger[we live in a time where we can l;earn from them all..[knowing simply if it aoint love its not from good/[god]..the ONLY good..

know the voice of love[god]..gives even the most vile of living its life..[thats got to be a huge clue]..that he dont judge anyone

UOG,

Yes you could quote endless passages from ancient documents that in your mind proves that Satan exists. That ancient mankind tried to explain people who did evil things by blaming it on a mythical being is no proof whatsoever.

The ancients told stories. These stories were simple suggestions of things they couldn't explain. Stories were passed from group to group and myth suddenly became fact.

We know humans have the ability to do evil things but the simplistic notion of an evil being (Satan) being cast out from heaven to make the Earth his domain is laughable.

You fail to accept simple truths. God could have killed Satan at any stage.

Why would God send him to Earth so that we mere mortals have to deal with him?

Aren't you the ignorant one?

Why would the Devil try to tempt Jesus? It is laughable - Jesus allegedly was the Son of God. He allegedly was with God in heaven, prior to him coming to Earth.

When Jesus was baptized, the heavens opened up and God spoke saying Matthew 3:17:And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

So then the spirit allegedly led Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted....Jesus would never fail such a test.

So basically, According to the bible and you

God can destroy Satan and all his evil at any time (but doesn't). But more absurd God in not doing so hands humans over to Satan in what you believe is Satan's realm. This is just an excuse used by believers to justify their God's lack of interceding in wars, atrocities like Rwanda and all other manner of areas where people suffer.

And yet Jesus says John 14:14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Are you saying Jesus told an untruth...his lack of intervention in these atrocious human actions shows that prayer doesn't work and that prayer meetings have no affect on the human behaviour whatsoever!

So much for the power of prayer!

good questions as usual...first realise that god gives and sustains life,..so visualise god=life,..see death is not god..[because god =life]..death thus=not god,..ie not life[because life is devine and a rejection of god=life means all that remains is death]

so we get to satan..[who rejected life/god]..but satan contains gods spirit[life]..we all do..and god cant withdraw life..because god gives life[eternal]..thus..as energy cant be created nor destroyed[satan only had one option[..to come here,..then here..was hell],now there are many hells

see god had to find the means..for freewil to reject eternal love,..without destroying the life..god alone sustains to live,,,but you can chose of your own freewill to reject this as well

the temptation of christ..is a parrable to explain the certain truths autoritivly..so they can be clear...satans realm/..christ rejecting this mortal realm..its just easier to remember the teachings..via the parrable...christ rejected this.[satans][..realm..][fullstop]this is a fact[we can accept or reject]..see we are all sons[suns]of god..[even satan]

see we are all in a wilderness..[we are all being tempted..[trying to serve two masters[flesh/spirit]..jesus had his moments of weaknes..eg[father.[el]..why have you forsaken me?]we all do...there are surities..but there are also the temptations of the flesh.[for all of us]..omly god is pefect

god cant destroy..[this people must understand clearly..[god dont judge,..god for a surity is/life/love/grace/mercy/light/truth...not death/darnesss/vile/lies/hate..etc.[clear oppisites,..god/life..death not god]whoever knows..god is love..cannot be decieved into hate[not god]

satan KNOWS god is love..[but simply cant comprehend..why..god loves this lot of mere clay/the flesh..indeed caNT get..why god would require himself to bow down before them[sinfull pride][recall jesus said who leads you will serve you..

[like god serves all life our very living...but satan KNOWS he cant touch us personally..but he can tempt us..[and in so doing teaches us that good/of god..and that not god..better than any parrable could

know prayer is more than begging or wishing..its visualisation the image into reality...the flesh is too weak to overcome the percieved reality...

OUR MASS BELIEF IN IT..being'real'..[only good is real..[thus that not good..isnt in reality/..real.[ITS ONLY OUR BELIEF..THAT MAKES IT..[REAL;]...oh ye of little faith..

UOG,

TY for your reply but again what you state is unbiblical. Are you making this up?

To paraphrase you said "God is life not death". But God is quoted as killing people in the Bible.

1 Chronicles 21:14: "So the LORD sent a pestilence on Israel; 70,000 men of Israel fell."

Deuteronomy 3:3 "So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left."

and

God "hardens pharoah's heart" (Exodus 7:3) and then use that hardening to kill all the first born of Egypt? (Exodus 12:29)

So you just can't be correct there!

But then you go on to explain that "our mass belief makes it real" and say "oh ye of little faith".

Again this isn't biblical.

For instance...The Sermon on the Mount covers this very well

Matthew 5:3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"

BUT to make the statement "Oh ye of little faith" you must judge my faith

Therefore Matthew 7:1-3 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged.

For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye.

It is tough being a Christian...but the rules are pretty simple.

I watch those who call themselves Christian, continually fail their own belief system, argue points that are simply unbiblical, and wrong, and then try to convince others that they know what they are talking about.

As a Christian you can't make this stuff up...Either the all knowing, all seeing God couldn't deal with Satan effectively, Revelations 12:9, and, by his lack of action, is responsible and his failure has led to the horrors that history has delivered OR the Bible is wrong!

Could the loving God you believe in really kill people like the Bible states? If he can't....the Bible must be wrong!

i speak/of god..[as in/genesis..1]..>..2;3...noting.;.at gen2;4...the words..''these are the generations/of the heavens..and the earth/when they were created''

then comes..a later edit..?..that adds/spurilously..''in the day that the..LORD god..made the heavens and earth''..see how the flow changes..[and the first use of..the lord..[of these realms]?..gets mention..by the change/from simply..''god''..to,,'LORD god'...

its a subtil change...but it struck me..that..god..is used exclusivly...but some how..at 2;4..becomes..LORD god

its a small point..but from then/the change..[or possable deception grows]...the diference is as mild as wheat and tares/looking the same till harvest time..[when the difference becomes clear]...[the lord of this realm intends a harvest]..so i need to split hairs

the life giver..is god..[this point is beyond dispute..[for those believing in god]...i need to believe that god has grace and mercy,is light sustaining life..[gen 1;4...and god saw the light...that it was good]...

i studied the holy texts seeking to know god..[the good][the light sustaining life]...i make no appologies for this

look at it from gods point..you make all life..

clearly as its creator..you love that you did create...if you didnt like it you would not have created it..[as the quaran says..god has but to say be/and it is...by the same token..he has but to say..be not and it would not be..[could not be]

what need have i to impress/frighten an ant?..[what need has god to impress/frighten man?

gen..1;27..and god CREATED man..[in the image of god created he them;..male and femail he created them...to destroy them?..[would be like destroying himself...its just pure insanity..[why give freewill..only to throw a tantrum..for us using our freewil?

god is most mercyfull..[even a beast knows its masters voice..[we either KNOW god is all mercyfull..[or we dont]..we either accept god loves all of us...or chose to judge god insane...

im sorry..if i seem to be not replying your question...but see..the most vile of life/living..[believers]..must believe..that god gave..all life..[even that most vile of life..living..]...our very lives..that we live..

if he dont want us living..he dont need fire or brimstone..[he need simply say..cease to be....[and if god be god..we would thus cease to be]...

just as he said be..and we believe to know that ..yes indeed..we are

<<..Chronicles 21:14:.."So the LORD sent..>>but back then/..the''lord''..was blamed for everything..[god gave us to live..[aint that enough]

<<Deuteronomy 3:3 "..and we smote them>>

<<God.."hardens pharoah's heart"[Exodus 7:3)>>..7;1..the lord..7;3...and i will harden..

<<(Exodus 12:29)>>the lord[of these realms]..smote..not god

<<you say"our mass belief makes it real"..that comes from a course in miracles http://www.courseinmiracles.com/index.html [the concordance would reveal it...but the websirte is removed..maybe..i quoted it too much.. http://www.execulink.com/~dthomp75/2007/URCONC/ur21.txt.WebConcordance/framconc.htm

"oh ye of little faith".>>mat 14;31

sadly i had to edit out your next quotes[word limit]but they are excelent..relitive quotes..[i cant argue them]

<<..It is tough being a Christian...but the rules are pretty simple...>>..absolutly..love neighbour..is how we love god

<<I watch those who call themselves Christian,continually fail their own belief system,>>to be forgiven we must first forgive others

<<Either the all knowing,all seeing God couldn't deal with Satan effectively,>>>...god allows EVEN satan his freewill

<<Revelations 12:9>>begins at rev 12'7..noting the past tense[and there WAS war i heaven,...but 12;9satan was cast OUT of heaven[to earth]...7-9 seems an addendum/explanation,.,qualification/destraction

<<by his lack of action,..his failure has led to the horrors that history has delivered OR the Bible is wrong!>>..its only too easy to blame satan[the d-evil made me do it...lol...not my freewill...lol

>>Could the loving God you believe>>..god dont need..'belief..[only that we believe in something..what is salt that has lost its flavour..[its suited neither for heaven..nor hell...thus cast out of both..[down to earth..lol..]