waterboy
The source I used to check the Greek source against KJV is Marshal's Greek/English Interlinear New Testament. Are you going to argue with that as a source?
I use an old version of KVJ where the translators have the decency put the parts that are unclear, or open to judgment, in italics. The KVJ is remarkably close to the Greek, even to the extent that the word 'one' at the end of the Sermon on the Mount is in italics.
You may use whatever translation you wish to support your argument. There are so many supposed 'Bibles' out there I am certain you will find one to suit your purpose.

Daviy

In case you hadn't noticed, I was referring to the Greek New Testament and not to a translation. It is not a question of 'choosing translations'. Why should I 'prefer' any particular translation to the Greek itself? I only suggested the RSV to you since it was obvious that you were using an interlinear and could not read the Greek yourself.
There are different types of 'translations', not all of which attempt to produce a 'direct' translation of the Greek. Again, I recommend the RSV to you because it is probably still the best of those that do attempt a direct translation as opposed to interpretive and paraphrasing 'translations'.
Quite apart from the fact that "within you" makes no sense in the context, the author could have chosen the "to entos.." construct if he had intended "within you". Given that he had that option and elected not to use it we have a strong indication that "within you" was not intended and "among you" or "in the midst of you" are preferred. The latter make perfectly good sense in the context while the former is awkward to say the least.
Jesus was quite clearly saying that the Kingdom of God was breaking into this world. Any other 'interpretation' of this passage is complete nonsense.

waterboy,

Is original Greek source to which you refer Koine Greek?

I think this Koine Greek have been been more prevalent a few centuries after Jesus.

When Galilee was occupied by the Greeks before the Romans, Attic Greek [Macedonian Court too] would have been spoken. I suspect a Galilean teacher would have spoken Attic, whereas Bible Colleges use Koine translations.

When Jesus Christ promised to be with us always, and send a comforter, in Matthew 24 verse 20, he was not joking. As the risen Christ the Kingdom of Heaven, was established, but it has been rejected by almost all of the world, except the English Protestants, and the United States of America. All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. So to honor both Almighty God and Jesus Christ as commanded in John 5 verses 22 and 23, the Christians in England enacted the Magna Carta. This reflects the Living God, of the New Testament, by creating a venue where two or three can gather together to do judgment.

Jesus Christ himself refuses to be a Judge. He makes judging a deadly sin, and prohibits it absolutely, in Matthew 7 verse 1; Luke 6 37-42. He states that the only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy, in Luke 12 verses 10-12, repeated in all four Gospels, so the Holy Ghost or Spirit is the Judge. This is woven into the very fabric of the law. Even the Roman Catholic Church believes that Almighty God has not stopped talking to his people. How does He talk. He talks through his system of government; the government of Christianity adopted by the English.

With a Justice appointed after swearing allegiance to Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second; A jury of twelve disciples sworn on the Holy Bible to find the truth, and deliver a verdict, with absolute power to decide right from wrong, we had Christian government. This is not sectarianism. All Churches of Christ can live with this, but instead the Government thinks it can become a pagan church, and do away with juries, and elevate parliament to the role of lawgiver. This heresy must be condemned by all people. When the State puts people into the role of Gods, it is in trouble. Stalin was the god of Russia while he lived. Mao was the god of China. Mugabe is the god of Zimbabwe. The English never let any man or king become a god. They insisted on universal juries

Oliver

“Attic Greek” usually refers to the form of Greek used in Athens (Attica) in the classical period (around 500BCE). You obviously have some ‘alternative’ definition of the term so perhaps you should explain precisely what YOU mean by “Attic”. Koine (a derivative of Attic), on the other hand , usually means the form of Greek spoken from the time of Alexander through to about 300CE. The Septuagint, for example, is usually quoted as an example of Koine pre-dating the first century. Again you will need to supply your alternative meaning before we can possibly make any sense of your question.

Do YOU believe that Jesus spoke Attic (“classical”) Greek to His Jewish compatriots? If not then what is the point of your question? It is possible that Jesus could speak Greek in the form common to the times but why would He speak Greek (“classical”) to Jews? That would have sounded strange indeed and surely would not have worked to endear Him to the people of Jerusalem. Most scholars still accept that Jesus mostly spoke some form af aramaic based on obvious 'aramaisms' in the recorded sayings. It is also very likely that he knew Biblical Hebrew but that was not the commonly spoken language of the day.

Once again, I am left wondering exactly what point you are trying to make and to which peculiar interpretation of the 'historical' evidence you subscribe.

"They pay 10 percent of their earnings to the church, and spend most of their time helping to grow the congregation (with each member also having to contribute 10 percent of their income) and reading Christian books, listening to Christian music - items for which they pay through the nose." - Craig Scutt

Craig,

What the Christian Churches wont tell you is that in history Baptism was a means to paying for Herod the Great's temples, because a (half shekle?)contribution was made.

Also, the the tithe, in the early church, required not only paying money, but working a portion of one's as an indigent, as an act of humility. Apart from the Pope washing feet, we don't see Bishops living say a say a day a week as a homeless person, to show that Bishops and the Homeless Poor are equal.

To the contrary, Bishops live in Palaces, eat silver service and have clerics as servants. Not very Jesus-like.

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