Pericles must have a defective logic chip. Probably like most lawyer types, he does not even have a Constitution or a Holy Bible on his desk. To understand the Constitution it is necessary to have a Holy Bible, or at least a New Testament so that the logic of it can be understood.

The Magna Carta is relevant today because the Constitution is a contract. The Contract was between the diverse Christian factions in Australia who got together to form a universal catholic Church to govern the Australiasian colonies with one government. The Magna Carta was a condition precedent on that contract as were the numerous Imperial Acts including the Australian Courts Act 1828 forming part of the matrix on top of which the Constitution sits.

Despite their faults, the High Court sometimes gets it right. State appointed Barons, who no longer subscribe to Christian principles, sitting in Courts, all over Australia offend Christianity by defiling the Word of God, on a daily basis. High Court deliberations are given as much weight as most lawyers give the Constitution and Holy Bible. Australia is governed by a system that is like a chook with its head cut off.

Australia is an unruly fractious lawless country, with no uniting philosophy, and a weak and timid High Court tucked safely away out of any practical usefulness by Rules approved and sponsored by the Liberal Party. An equally useless Federal Court of Australia was created in 1976, which has done nothing to unite Australia for the same reason the High Court is not working. Neither have unfettered access, or a democratic fair impartial or just panel of judges, drawn from the electorate even though the Parliament of the Commonwealth has agreed to pay for them. The Constitution contract has a condition that the Parliament has a commission to make laws for peace, order and good government.

Unless there is a separate fair just and impartial Magna Carta court to determine as fact whether these laws are just or not, the Constitution is ineffective. A Ministerial delegate, is NOT a fair just and impartial court

PtB, it would appear that you haven't the faintest idea what Magna Carta is, nor indeed our Constitution.

Quote me one single line from either that supports your - quite ridiculous - claim that:

>>The Magna Carta is relevant today because the Constitution is a contract<<

Until you do, I'll join Fractelle in the observation lounge.

Tea, Fractelle? Or perhaps something a little stronger...?

Waterboy

I missed your post of the 3rd of March.
'Within you" makes perfect sense if you look at he Gnostic nature of Matthew and Gnosis being a Greek tradition of the day.

Marshal's is a direct translation. As a direct translation Marshal uses 'within' and I am happy with his credentials. I have no idea what you r credentials are.
'Within you' is only awkward if you do not understand that 'spiritual' is what comes from within. The fact that I do not read Greek (from any period) does not mean my capacity to understand is any less than yours. I have no problem with the context and I cannot see why a person who understands 'spiritual' or Gnosis should either.

I think your 'Jesus was clearly saying' to be just pushing your own particular agenda without taking the trouble to think past dogma. To those who seek truth rather than dogma 'within you' is a perfectly acceptable spiritual or Gnostic answer.

Oops Sorry. I forgot I am a heretic and should be burnt an the stake.

From your posts I gather you are some sort of academic and a Christian. I have never been able to understand how the two can be reconciled. One requires thinking and the other require non-thing addiction to dogma.

Daviy

In this case Marshall is wrong.

The point is that Jesus did NOT teach an 'internalised faith'.
His message was political, social and in its context subversive.

The shift towards a religion of 'internalised faith', 'personal salvation' and a 'system of beliefs' is a corruption of Jesus' message and played its part in producing the set of circumstances that allowed Church and State to combine into the ultimately powerful and ultimately corrupt institution known as the Holy Roman Empire.

You indicated that you respected (admired??) Jesus for His teachings. Im just trying to alert you to the fact that the teachings of conservative and evangelical churches dont quite line up with what Jesus really said and did.

Pericles

Something stronger; perhaps water, which if I close my eyes and simply believe enough, will turn into wine.

;-)

Wow Fractelle. You'd be a cheap date.

Could you work the same trick for my gin and tonic? <vbg>