<< Not only were the Iraqi regional council elections run smoothly but by all accounts the voters to have chosen almost exclusively secular candidates... they appear to have dumped rule by a theocracy >>

Your ignorance is truly astonishing. Iraq was always secular, as you'd know if you'd bothered to learn the slightest thing about it. That's one reason the Americans and British put Hussein in charge of the place, and why Osama bin Laden hated him. Theocracy only became a threat after the invasion created a power vacuum.

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<< How about you giving one just one example of a death because someone is following the Lord Jesus Christ's teaching. One could easily argue that the Catholic church was acting a lot more like heathens, atheist, secularist or Muslims when killing innocent people. >>

Ah, so you mean that when Christians maim and slaughter in the name of Christ, they're not actually maiming and slaughtering in the name of Christ? That'd come as a shock to thousands of goodly Crusaders and Inquisitors.

But it gets better: when Christians kill, they're actually atheists or Muslims!

Oh, and can you point me the atheist or secularist holy book? The one that has all the bits about killing?

*Mr Bush didn't do this Yabby *

Actually Meredith, he did. As Prez, for most of the time he had
control of both houses, he and Dick ran the show. He was Prez, he
had the choice to do as he pleased. He ignored those who screamed
that there was a problem.

It was his administration who took FBI agents off corporate fraud
and put them onto the the Osama under the bed hunt. It was his
administration who decided that Wall St could rule itself, no
Govt involvement was required. It was his administration who
appointed the head of the SEC, which became a toothless tiger.

This stuff is openly discussed on Bloomberg TV and commentators
largely agree on these points. Now that is hardly a left wing
tv station, but at the heart of corporate America.

Things really went nuts in the US in 03-04-05-06-07, all years
when George and Dick ruled. The buck stops with them.

Yabby, Yeh no problem, in part you may be right... Maybe he didn't clean up all their mess for them, but it doesn't change it was the Dems that did this.

The logic here is left-wing... and it sucked.

Have what you can't afford...

'Theocracy only became a threat after the invasion created a power vacuum.'

Eubbish. Theoracy is a threat eveyrwhere in the mid east and always has been.

In the first round of provincial elections the majority of candidates were selected along religious lines. Remember Moktar al Sadr and his Mardi Army?
Remember the influence of Iran in the Southern and Border regions where representative were openly supportive of Iran.

That's all gone now. This is a fact and is not a display of ignorance.