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Bush's legacy : Comments

By MA Khan, published 3/2/2009

Bush's war on terror and wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have played a central role in creating an awareness of Islam.

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The author completely ignores the following points –

Islam and Judaism are law-based religions that lay out specific social rules but that alone doesn’t necessarily make them incompatible with the rest of the world.

The modern radicalisation of Islam is the result of the deliberate interference and exploitation of the Middle East, specifically by the USA and Britain.

It can be directly traced back to the manipulated overthrow of Mossadeq in Iran in 1953, the ongoing support and sponsoring of quasi-kingdoms, republics and despots in the region as well as the training and subsequent betrayal of paramilitary groups in Afghanistan.

Bush’s legacy will be that he deliberately avoided addressing the reasons behind the causes of this radicalism and only exploited the situation for local political and economic gain.
Posted by wobbles, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 1:49:21 PM
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Dear Runner

See http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1578/article_detail.asp for reviews of two books, “The Great Arab Conquests: How the Spread of Islam Changed the World We Live In” by Hugh Kennedy and God’s Crucible: Islam and the Making of Europe, 570 to 1215, by David Levering Lewis.

From the review:

“The subject is the Battle of Poitiers, which English schoolboys of my generation were presented with as the Battle of Tours. This was the occasion in A.D. 732 when the Frankish ruler Charles "the Hammer" Martel defeated an Islamic army that had crossed the Pyrenees into France.
Had [Muslim general] 'Abd al-Rahman's men prevailed that October day, the post-Roman Occident would probably have been incorporated into a cosmopolitan, Muslim regnum unobstructed by borders...one devoid of a priestly caste, animated by the dogma of equality of the faithful, and respectful of all religious faiths. ...[T]he victory of Charles the Hammer must be seen as greatly contributing to the creation of an economically retarded, balkanized, fratricidal Europe that, in defining itself in opposition to Islam, made virtues out of religious persecution, cultural particularism, and hereditary aristocracy.”

Just think if the Muslims had won there would not have been the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Wars of the Reformation along with the other evils of intolerant, murderous Christianity.

I think that the wrong side won. It is hard for me to think that Islamic rule would have been worse than what happened with Christianity.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 2:27:14 PM
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Cazza
'Let's assume you're correct .."
A good start is tell the truth as to what the Koran and its followers teach. You might or might not like Christianity but at least its teachings are not hidden. I might not like some aspects of secularism but at least its teachings are public knowledge. Telling the truth is the first solution. Peoples loathing of Bush is often due to their own inner corruption. It is interesting that the Dala Lama is one of Bushes biggest fans. Work that one out. Even he is smart enough to know "They (terrorists) are very brilliant and educated...but a strong ill feeling is bred in them. Their minds are closed," the Dalai Lama said. '

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/dalai_lama_terrorism_resistant.html

Secondly we should be a lot tighter with our immigration laws. To allow people who think Western women are meat and that Jews and Christians are dogs is asking for trouble and resentment. The number of rapes in Sydney by Muslim men on woman need to be publicized and not hidden by some pc ideology.

Thirdly we should expose the press who blame every terrorist act (killing of innocent children) as the fault of the West. This victim mentality given to these criminals only encourages more blood shed. Some of the 9/11 terrorist were American trained doctors brainwashed by ideology. You can't blame the West for that ideology. We should insist on some sort of balance from our chronically inept and corrupt national broadcasters.
Fourthly we could acknowledge that Islamic countries as a whole are very unpleasant places to live especially if you are a woman. You are likely to be denied an education, an opinion, freedom of religion or freedom of non religion. You are likely to be circumcised if you are a woman and live in a pig pen.

You are right Cazza in implying that their are no easy answers to these issues. I do not propose violence against Muslims or anyone else. What I do propose is a truthful understanding of the issues. At least this would be a good starting point
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 3:02:15 PM
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Bush Legacy Truth
In the interest of Truthful and Accurate History; the 2006 book that accounts for all of George W. Bush’s mindless exploits on September 11, is now posted online for free reading.

http://www.bushseptember11legacy.com/

Ron Schalow
Author
Bull$#!@ Artist – The 9/11 Leadership Myth
Posted by rschalow, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 3:05:19 PM
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Cazza,

Thats the problem. There is no solution.

Unless and until the Koranic trilogy is bought into the modern world that book is always going to be the source of trouble.That isnt going to happen

The Koran has a history and that is indisputable. It isnt the immutable word of anyone other than the fertile imagination of bunch of Arabs,hell bent on conquest and control, as a well as rape and pillage.

How can one beat the huge sums of money being poured into its propogation by the Saudis and Ahmadinejad et al, and the rantings of thousands of mad mullahs of all persuasions, spewwng stuff that is straight out the 11th century.

The stats in this document show just what a lie the concept of Jihad being an inner struggle is-- and thats just for starters

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/28244/sec_id/28244

It is going to get a lot worse before it may even look like getting better-- if it does so at all
Posted by bigmal, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 4:23:35 PM
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Runner,

You mention "the number of rapes in Sydney by Muslim men" as if you are aware of some statistic.

Given that even last year, 81% of victims were Australian, that typically around 70% of victims know their attacker plus the fact that alcohol is a significant factor - particularly in gang-rapes - these factors seem to suggest that the average rapist is less likely to be a Muslim than a drunken family member or party-goer.

Despite the horrific incidents of early 2001 and the anecdotal stories sensationalised in parts of the media ever since, I can't find anything to prove that rape is a cultural or religious phenomenon.

If you have the official stats, I'd really be interested - or is this just the same sort of prejudicial thinking that the Christians earlier used toward the Jews.

You're right about truthful understanding but hey, we used to burn witches for far less not so very long ago.
Posted by rache, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 8:12:12 PM
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