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What is Israel's Gaza goal? : Comments

By Neve Gordon, published 31/12/2008

Israel seems more concerned with electoral politics and restoring its military reputation than stopping the Qassam rockets

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Leigh,
- “Hamas lunatics “ very mature, opponents could justifiably retort with “Zionist lunatics”, it doesn’t get the discussion anywhere!

- “Hamas, not Israel, is killing Palestinian civilians, ...” explain that one for us?

- “Israel has had to defend itself from Arabs since its inception.” And I wonder why? Mmmhh, not too difficult

- How do you talk to lunatics here we go again

- Who fired the first shot after the “peace” agreement ran out! And who sent troops / invaded on 4th November?

- left-wing Western anti-Semites typical of your type, anti-Zionism AIN’T anti-Semitism
Gibo
- We have a whole generation today who fail to acknowledge that the UN gave that land to the Israelis. UN (Britain) ain’t blame-free
- Its their land under God all religious fundamentalists are dangerous, you obviously one
Stevenlmeyer
- I am at a loss to know how the Palestinians, or anyone else, could have expected any other outcome. And I (amongst many) are at a loss to know how the Zionists, or anyone else (USA), could have expected any other outcome ........ after 40 years of occupation, ghettofication and abuse >> Zionists, the new Nazis!
All the best and happy new year, mark conley
Posted by justoneperson, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 2:25:07 PM
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Sir IVOR takes the cake for 'stupendous ignorance' :) sorry Ivy..but it's true.

WHY? Simple.. Steven L Meyer... ( a Jew, who has possibly a more acute sensitivity on issues like this than you or I) has pointed out 2 pieces of information which appear to have flown right over your rather uninformed head.

1/ The last hour...Muslims kill the Jews.

2/ Hamas Charter.. but SLM could have quoted a much stronger section where the land of Palestine is claimed 'until the day of resurrection' ever since it was (now..Ivor..pay close attention here) CONQUERED BY FORCE by the Caliph Omar.

Now.. only a bigotted ratbag could see this information... and not draw the appropriate conclusion that

a) 'Israel is legitimate even if established by force' (because the Arab status quo was established in exactly that way)

b) HAMAS has genocidal aspirations regarding Jews and Israel.

I'm sorry but both you Ivor and Socratease fail dismally in the most basic historical comprehension.
Hence..your spurious and emotive assertions.

BUT.. TO THE TOPIC... I think Israels goals in this particular case are more political than anything.

-Election coming up... must look strongggg to the people.

What other possible goals could they have?

"Destroy Hamas completely." (A moral and reasonable thing to do, considering their charter)

Unfortunately, given the connectedness of the world these days and the multiplicity of interests, they are not likely to try that with an election close. You need stability and predictability for that kind of action.

If they were going to achieve that goal, they should target every hamas public rally and leader, every time they put their heads above the trenches.
Posted by Polycarp, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 6:23:26 PM
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What a load of twaddle from Socratease.

Israel's right to exist is well established and settled under international law. There is no point going over that barren ground again and again.

The palestinians have had every opportunity to also be established in a separate state, but have always refused, because they dont want Jews, in what they see as their religions piddle patch.

And the reason they dont want jews is because of the well documented and quite rabid anti semiticism written into the Koran by that war mongering thug and serial paedophile named Mohammed, and his followers, back in the 7th century.

Islam is, and always has been, rabidly anti semitic as was made abundantly clear recently by Maharthir Mohammed in his opening address to the OIC in 2004.

The shame is, that modern day palestinian arabs are too dopey to think for themselves and are being manipulated by the religious zealots,and by the evil and bigotry from people like Maharthir.

BTW, didnt the Ottomans lose the whole area as a consequence of the end of WW1,(and thereby ceded to the allies) and wasnt it the case that the Ottomans took it from the Mamluks in the 16th century, who in turn had taken it from the mongols. Isnt it also the case that in all this time it has never been called Palestine until about 1920.

Isnt it the case that the only time it was run as an independant country was when the jews had it.
Posted by bigmal, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 7:16:58 PM
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it isn't very surprising that the left completely ignored the 6300 rockets over the past 3 years aimed at israeli civilians. they didn't care when israeli citizens were living in fear 24/7. but when israel defends itself they finally take interest again.

israel is one of the most powerful military forces in the world. if it wanted to kill civilians - especially in a place as densly populated as gaza - the death toll would be higher than 300.

civilian deaths are hamas' fault. when they fire mortars from people's backyards at israeli civilians, those civilians will inevitably become collateral damage. how can you wonder why civilians die? have you not seen the armies of rock throwing KIDS! soldiers can get maimed or killed by those rocks but those evil genocidal zionists use rubber bullets against these kids trying to kill them. and every now and then a hamas terrorist in the crowd fires at the soldiers, using teenagers to shield him.

how many israelis cheer when palestinian civilians die? how many israelis rally in support of killing palestinians? there are no photos of israeli babies dressed up as martyrs and israeli children arent taught that palestinians are inferior beings. but you will see all of this in the palestinian territories. they indoctrinate children into their death cult society and the terrorists use women and children as shields but they STILL get the support from the international left.
Posted by Liberal, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 8:19:24 PM
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i have pretty much said all on the obama change site
http://www.change.org/ideas/view/stop_supporting_israeli_apartheid

i figure whats the use of posting it here where we are powerless

my posts reveal that hamas was created by the mossad;that israel has presented no proof that hamas is doing the pipebombing[hamas is really only the equivelent of a political party name[like liberal or labour or the greens]parties dont do things people do

later posts reveal fatah also was set up by israel [lol?]

but you cant punish captives crammed into a prison camp and say they are hiding behind children[when settlers drag their children[of a freechoice]into a war zone[and palisteins are like fish in a barrel]

the death rate also stands out[the pipe bombs have killed 17 israelies in 6 years[and israel has killed nearing 400 in 4 days] israel isnt reporting it yet but those orded into sevice[being called up[arnt turning up to repeat the lebinon disaster again]

the timming at election time is also suspitious[plus admissions this attack has been in the planning for 6 mths]also israel stating peace is not an option,...seems a blatent previeuw of what is planned[but this will not be a ground invasion]

the timming is interesting as well,deliberatly planned to be exicuted while most press is asleep[and while still under gw busche's watch, noting obama's change we can believe in,will be unchanged from the busche/cheeney neo con zionist lobby stance

but i said it on obama's change forum allready[he cant claim not to know]it even mentions rothchilds role in the farce of a homeland[for the 4th reiche]

for the same zionist capoes that chose;,who went to the chambers[the same type explused from the holy lands when the zionist'bolchovics took it from palistei[relates to the phylisteens [david and goliath's feud]

[a feud that goes back 2500 years[i also note that the natzies better prepare for a surge[sneak attack at anytime ;when they get their hundred fold vengence upon the natzies for ww2

[the hundred fold vengence is egsactly what the futile death toll reveals,every israelie is'worth'100 goys[non jew]the clay'man'who takes orders from the rothchild/zionist teutonics holyblood line.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 8:53:11 PM
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oh dear i hear a liberal saying rubber bullits
thats the joke [they are real bullits with a rubber coating] once they bounce off something the rubber falls off[but hey kids throwing stones mean hamas right?

but i see the liberal? is deluded
quote>>israel is one of the most powerful military forces in the world.>> #

yet they couldnt invade a lowly lebinon
can only fight with suprise attacks
[can attack usa navey with impunity]

thinks it can run usa politics[and banking and the media [and medicine , movies ,contests on tv[sitcoms,in fact run everything from law to gmo[but the one thing they havnt got is the most powerfull military hah ha

usa russia china got more planes boats etc
israel only got 400 aged nukes
it has so few tanks its laughable

its armed forces come from a possable pool of 4 milion[of whichj about half are children or the old age retired that out number the children

israel cant do nothing because big brother does it all
supply the bombs, to supply your war needs

if america said to israel your on your own they would have to make peace[but hey usa gives 55 percent of its foreign aid to israel]but the teat is running dry[soon israel will only take us grants in euro's

look liberal its fine to be proud but delusion bro[is it worth bringing on armogeddon?..for a lie?

the messiah been and gone[satan offered him this realm]the messiah refused it[we know your messiah is the prince of peace not the messiah of war[hes not comming back while you turn gods holy land into dust]

think on this [god gives ALL LIFE OUR LIFE]
we serve the life giver
or the life taker

[israel means fights with god[get it?]
all the promises'god'gave you were from satan
gods still on sabbath
by their deeds will we know them

noting the ggghhh-hamas
how goes ggghhh-hanika
noting lately the spokesman been forgetting to ggghhh before the word hamas,the inconsistancy is really obvious
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 9:18:14 PM
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