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What's wrong with 'Islamophobia' : Comments

By Nick Haslam, published 23/12/2008

Prejudice flourishes among people who are cold, callous, inflexible, closed-minded and conventional.

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CJMorgan wrote: "...he's wrong to reject fear totally as an aspect of Islamophobia... ...Islamophobes...ascribe their prejudice to...fear, based on their interpretations of Islamic...text"

CJMorgan's thinking on Islamophobia is like this:-
(1)...Those criticising Islam are prejudiced <--(CJ's ASSERTION)
(2)...Prejudiced people interprets Islamic texts incorrectly <--(CJ's PRESUMPTION)
(3)...Fear of Islam is irrational, due to incorrect interpretion <--(CJ's ASSUMPTION)
(4)...As fear is part of one's psyche, the auther should include a fear factor <--(CJ's OPINION)
(5)...Those criticising Islam are Islamophobes. <--(CJ's CONCLUSION)

Next, go to (6) and loop continuously (as CJMorgan does):
(6)...Anyone criticising Islam is a prejudiced Islamophobe.
Anyone criticising Islam is a prejudiced Islamophobe...Anyone criticising Islam is a prejudiced Islamophobe....Anyone...

CJMorgan's understanding of *PHOBE* actually makes him a hypocrite because he's a *PHOBE* by his own definition:-
-->>CJMorgan has a fear of Islamophobic violence, arising from his prejudice towards those criticising Islam, based on his frauded interpretations of what he thinks others know about Islam <<--

For CJMorgan to go around abusing others as *PHOBES* without an ability to ever realise his own definition makes him a *PHOBE* is hypocritical and stupid!!

Next, the CORRECT attribute for Islamophobia, as the following explains:-
(A)...Those criticising Islam may or may not be Islamophobic <--(Logical truth)
(B)...Correct interpretation leading to fear of Islam -- Fear is valid, hence not Islamophobic.
(C)...Incorrect interpretation leading to fear of Islam -- Interpretation is wrong, but the fear is still valid, personal and real. Hence this is also not Islamophobic.
(D)...Correct interpretation proves Islam is not to be feared. But a fear persists -- This is irrational Islamophobic fear.

The ONLY possible condition that truly satisfies IslamoPHOBIC is (D).
Such a condition rarely exists, if at all. Hence the author is correct in saying: "LET'S CURE OUR LANGUAGE OF THEM"!!

One diseased person needing a cure-- CJMorgan

Luckily for CJMorgan. According to my definition, CJMorgan is not a *PHOBE*, (because his fear is real and personal, even though his reasoning is thrashy).
And to those whom CJMorgan have labelled Islamophobes-- CJMorgan owes you apologies, big time.

(This is an interesting article indeed. One commenter is a hypocritical fool.)
Posted by G Z, Tuesday, 23 December 2008 10:47:39 PM
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“Don’t like gays? Hate foreigners? Loathe Muslims? You may be suffering from a mental disorder. People who express these attitudes often find themselves diagnosed with homophobia, xenophobia and Islamophobia.”

This article appears to be written by someone having psychotic disorders. These are serious illnesses that affect the mind. These illnesses alter a person's ability to think clearly, make good judgments, respond emotionally, communicate effectively, understand reality and behave appropriately.

There are many who don’t like the Gays’ life-style. They may condemn the life-style but treat Gays with respect.

In Islamic countries,

(i) Gays are stoned to death, hung or beheaded.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Execution_of_two_gay_teens_in_Iran_spurs_controversy
http://www.amitiesquebec-israel.org/texts/stoning.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/19/AR2006071902061.html

(ii) having pre-marital, or extra-marital sex is stoned to death, but its OK to rape maids in Saudi Arabia especially if the maid is from Indonesia or Philippines.
http://www.amitiesquebec-israel.org/texts/stoning.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_3_55/ai_97347246

(iii) there is fear Hindu and Buddhist temples, churches and otter non-Muslim places of worship.

(iv) paedophilia is openly practised

“An eight-year old Saudi Arabian girl who was married off by her father to a 58-year-old man has been told she cannot divorce her husband until she reaches puberty.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/23/saudi-arabia-human-rights

Islam makes the Muslim to become the most irrational persons ever. No eating of pork because pigs are dirty. In what sense are they dirty? Fear of non-halal foods, in the 21st century? We know what is properly cooked is clean and can be consumed.

Dogs are considered dirty animals. They are dirty because Islam teaches Muslims to be irrational, full of fears, superstitious, cruel to animals with all the senseless animal sacrifices in the 21st century.

The greatest thing the West can do is to liberate the Muslims from the terror of Islam. Islam is what caused the Muslims to be backward, superstitious, delusional and irrational. The movement is already started by two great ex-Muslims, Ali Sina and MA Khan.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
http://www.islam-watch.org/

You know, after reading this article, that the last place on earth to study psychology is at the University of M*-*-*-*-
Posted by Philip Tang, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 1:03:37 AM
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Cornflower wrote, "When all is said an done, it is a very big ask to import a million new people from a host of different cultures every three and a bit years and expect them and the resident population to have no teething problems at all."

I agree.

Whilst I have been arguing elsewhere (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8306#130142 http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8288#129870 http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2166#52485) against the fraudulent "war on terror" based on the Big Lie of the 'false flag' terrorist attack of 11 September 2001, I still have concerns about high immigration, particularly from countries with cultures difficult from our own and that includes Islamic cultures.

I believe this was a cause, for example, of the Cronulla riots in 2005 as chronicled by Paul Sheehan on pages 353 to 371 of "Girls Like You".

Whilst this may not be apparent to many, I consider high immigration and multiculturalism on the one hand and the the "war on terror" on the other are but two sides of the same coin.

It's instructive that Rupert Murdoch, that ardent promoter of the deadly Big Lies of 9/11 and Iraqi WMD's, which were the justifications for the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, also wants population growth to continue even with the economic crisis we face.
Posted by daggett, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 1:11:17 AM
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I saw an interesting programme on TV last night about a visit to San Quentin prison. The prisoners there generally associate only with people of their own race. A prison is a place where one needs to have the backing of other like minded individuals for physical protection.

Does this mean that ALL races are prejudiced against others? And I had understood from our resident lefties that only white people could be racist! Are they all phobic i.e. suffering from an unreasonable fear?

The author is of course correct, that those who do not have an argument based on facts, have to resort to labelling the person they are arguing with as a "whatever" ..phobe.

CJ Morgan responds in his typically elitist and condescending manner, and seeks to be more royal than the king in pointing out where he considers the author to be wrong, "Indeed, several of our most vociferous Islamophobes regularly ascribe their prejudice to what they regard as well-founded fear, based on their interpretations of Islamic sacred texts."

Yes CJ, some fears can be well founded, and a perfectly normal instinct for self preservation. If you had been one of the Australians killed by an Islamic terrorist in Mumbai a few weeks ago, your fear would have been well founded too.

As GZ said, CJ is a HYPOCRITE. He wants to "defend" Muslims, a group that he thinks is getting a raw deal. So he vilifies, denigrates, and tries to shut down people who are disgusted by the attitudes and actions that emanate from Islamists, and which are condoned by a large portion of the Muslim population.

There are many Muslims who are not holding extremist views, but we are not helping them by refusing to subject Islam, as with other religions, to cold hard analysis and criticism where it is richly deserved.

He is not doing Muslims any service, because if they persist on the path they are taking, they will reap a whirlwind of retribution, which will hurt innocent Muslims as well as the fanatics.

Interesting how China deals with them:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/19/news/xinjiang.php
Posted by Froggie, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 1:32:16 AM
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Do tell Nick,

How many Muslim countries readily accept Westerners and their religion? Do speak up as the answer is NONE.

So your accusations of phobia are pointed directly at Muslims and nowhere else.

When people come to our country and we hear them making statements about wanting to convert it to Muslim and how they hate Australia and Australians they taint every Muslim as the rest do not speak out against these morons. They keep silent. Why?

They give cause for people to hate and reject them as Australia and Australians do not want yet another damned religion blighting our country. Christians and their lunacy is more than enough.

Here's an idea. How about all the Christians and all the Muslims in Australia go live in Tasmania where they can kill each other and leave us alone. Tasmania's own version of the Crusades. They are used to attempted genocide down there.

Apologies to Tassy, but at least we'd get rid of both lots of lunatics, right?
Posted by RobbyH, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 5:38:43 AM
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Oh dear!

This is becoming a real “Gotcha” article.

Even after Bugsy first pointed out how clear it was that some here aren’t reading the article, several others have since posted to show that they're not reading the article either.

Amusing.

It really is revealing to see who here responds with pure emotion at the first glimpse of certain key words, rather than calm rational thought.
Posted by AdamD, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 8:33:21 AM
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