KELLIE TRANTOR...lawyer and 5TH COLUMIST FOR INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISM ?

Her article and true political agenda was exposed in this early statement of hers:

"What, according to your best intelligence, is the current actual or estimated death toll of civilians killed in Iraq?"

Her deliberate and seditious portrayal of events in Iraq show that her loyalties to Australia are questionable.

REASON. It's very simple. She simple mentions 'civilians killed' with the obvious inference that they were killed by Allied forces.

PROBLEM. By far, in my opinion, most deaths in Iraq have been caused not by allied forces but by SECTARIAN VIOLENCE and death squads, including Al Qaeda. Many child deaths can be directly connected to:
-Misuse of available funds by those in charge (Including Sadaam prior to his removal)
-Problems with treating sick kids due to sectarian violence.

MISINFORMATION. Most of what Kelly Turncoat reports is just well structured misinformation of a standard shown in my previous paragraphs.

OBJECTIVES. That someone would deliberately and maliciously misrepresent the realities (and progress) of Iraq and Afghanistan, and not even try to undersand the tribal/religious realities there and how they might effect us.... shows that her objectives are not 'TRUTH' but.. 'half truth' and propaganda with political motives.

INTERNATIONAL SHAME.
The article and its' author are sad representations of Australia, and bring us into international shame and make us a laughing stock where people might think we are so gullible as to actually digest and accept such flagrant distortions of fact as presented by her.

Without wading into the issues too much, I agree that some answers are needed. Lies were told to justify this war. These lies do need airing and the perpetrators shamed. Bush and his war machine is obvious, but the fake intelligence created and the "we can't reveal the sources, but it is very convincing" line sold by Howard need to be revealed for what they were: Very, very bad leadership, if not outright corruption. (Nepotism was OK with him, so Big lies were probably OK too.)
Non-aligned estimates of the death civilian death toll range from 300,000 to meerely tens of thousands. Why so different to the "official" estimates? Obviously less bias, but also they use real statistical methods instead of ones designed to underestimate.
To those who still bang on about how evil Saddam was...Please read your history! The US supported him, armed him and lead him to his destruction with lies and broken promises. He was a tool to be abused and discarded (As was Bush...)
I am more concerned that our own politicians were willing to throw away any morals (honesty, caring for fellow humans), simply by dehumanising a group, using religious bigotry and drumming up fear and loathing.
Runner: Christians have burned their share of witches and have messed with a lot of kiddies in their time. Bush used God to justify mass murder, just as phoney religious have done through history. Getting folks like you onside is sooo easy as you have all your buttons hardcoded and primed to hate "the others". All religious fundamentalism is evil, not any one flavour.
Read your prophet again: *Universal* love is the lesson.

PolyCarp.
When you bomb a modern city to smithereens, people start dying for indirect reasons: Lack of clean water, lack of refrigeration, lack of drugs. New mothers cannot have safe births, sick children cannot be treated.
The US had a responsibility to minimise civilian deaths, not just the blown to bits deaths but all the predictable downstream impacts also. The sheer size of the humanitarian issues created by "Shock and Awe", coupled with the ever changing rationalisations (all lies) and the final admission that it *was* all about oil should lead even the loony Right to conclude that history needs clarification.
(Of course most of them have moved onto rewriting the history of the financial meltdown. Takes a lot of imagination to blame the Left after a decade of neo-libralism!)
You don't seem to have realised yet that almost all the "information" released by US authorities is tactical: ie. propoganda. ie. Bulls%^t.
It is not unreasonable to want the known discrepencies clarified. It is you who by accepting war propoganda and fighting transparency that is letting your country down.

Polycarp wrote, "By far, in my opinion, most deaths in Iraq have been caused not by allied forces but by SECTARIAN VIOLENCE and death squads, including Al Qaeda."

I attempted to start a discussion on precisely this issue but Graham Young refused my request.

In September 2005 members of the British SAS, dressed as Shiites in a booby trapped car were arrested by local police headed towards a religious festival. They were taken into the police station for questioning.

However, the local British army commander demanded that the police hand back the SAS men and attacked the police headquarters when they refused to do so.

A crowd tried to defend the police station but the British Forces broke through and released the SAS men before questioning could be concluded.

See also "British SAS Terror Operation in Basra: Photographic Evidence" at http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050923&articleId=989
"Iraq probe into soldier incident" at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4264614.stm
"Basra Bizarre: SAS Commandos Arrested and Sprung" at http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3331&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

From this it seems likely that much of the sectarian bloodshed that Polycarp would have us believe was committed by Iraqis, was, in fact, committed either by the occupying forces or local patsies acting on their behalf.

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For information about that other mother of all 'false flag' terrorist attacks, namely that of 11 September 2001, see discussion of "9/11 Truth" at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2166#51675 http://911oz.com http://911blogger.com http://911truth.org http://ae911truth.org

Just some of the many credible well0credetnialled people who dispute the official US government version of th 9/11 attacks are listed at http://www.911truthgroups.org/911Truth101/Step2ProminentSupporters/tabid/633/Default.aspx

As I said on the forums concerning the Mumabai attacks, one at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8293#129787, a number of people believe there is evidence that this was also a 'false flag' attack (see http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2008/12/double-cover-5-lining-up-suspects.html).

So, at least much of the stated rationale for the "War on Terror" appears to be fraudulent.

Hi Kellie,
good on ya, happy to see that there are Aussies speaking out on this crime and questioning it. We are living in a country, where lies are widely accepted, we have learned to look away, when things go wrong, but easily point our fingers at others, especially other countries, but never question ourselves.
Australia has tremendously suffered in its reputation worldwide, thanks to the war head John Howard and our ongoing aggressive foreign policies in the post WW2 period. We are regarded as the deputy sheriff of the US, and that is what we are.
We believe that our legal system is the best in the world, as we are the best anyway. I always wondered why no Australian court has taken John Howard on for taking us again in an unjustified war, based on lies. I also wonder, why no Australian soldier returned from Iraq, questioning his "job". But that would put further strain on the correct handling of our Anzac Day, and that would be regarded as unpatriotic.
So if our legal system is unwilling or unable to do justice in this respect, I would happily put my name on a list, asking for the extradiction of John Howard to the World Court in The Hague, once they have decided to start dealing in this matter (if they ever will).
Again, my respect for speaking out the truth, as shameful as it is for us Australians. I also want to state: No war in my name!
yours Michael Fritz, WA

It seems Dagget’s taste for conspiracy knows no bounds. The Mumbai attacks were false flag, so was 9/11. Maybe the Iraq invasion was actually carried out by four camel herders and a three legged goat.

He say >> “In September 2005 members of the British SAS, dressed as Shiites in a booby trapped car were arrested by local police headed towards a religious festival. They were taken into the police station for questioning.”

I see. They were going to the Shite festival to commit a suicide bombing? A false flag operation? You’re suggesting that the Shiite – Sunni civil war was actually nothing of the sort?

This is the most incredible nonsense. When will you grow up Dagget?

Many of the police in Basra during the height of the war were KNOWN to be allegiant to Moqtadr Al Sadr. They were KNOWN to have carried out attacks on Allied serviceman. It’s hardly surprising that the British didn’t want their people being held at the police station.

And from this PALTRY evidence, Dagget then makes the sweeping claim that >>” From this it seems likely that much of the sectarian bloodshed that Polycarp would have us believe was committed by Iraqis, was, in fact, committed either by the occupying forces or local patsies acting on their behalf.”

WHAT!! !! You really are LOOPY.

Then he goes onto say >> “So, at least much of the stated rationale for the "War on Terror" appears to be fraudulent.”

I see, there are no Islamist groups running around killing people. It’s all part of a GIANT conspiracy by the west to drive down stock prices and economically cripple ourselves.

There is SIMPLY no TALL tale Dagget will not give credence to. What A joke.