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Terrorists attacking Mumbai have global agenda : Comments

By Ashley Tellis, published 15/12/2008

The barbarity in Mumbai represents the ugly face of Islamist terrorism that threatens India, the US and its allies.

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(I also mentioned this in the discussion "India's blame game" at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8277#129600 andhttp://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2008/11/27/terror-attacks-in-mumbai/#comment-223004)

Firstly, whilst I don't have much time for fundamentalist Islam it is rubbish to suggest that it is responsible for the wave of terrorist attacks attributed to it starting from the spectacular 11 September 2001. There is abundant evidence that that attack was a 'false flag' operation orchestrated from within the White House.

If anyone dismisses any suggestion that the September 11 terrorist attack was a 'false flag' operation, then please view these YouTube presentations:

"WTC7 in Freefall--No Longer Controversial" at http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44L0-2zL8
"WTC7: NIST Finally Admits Freefall (Part I)" at http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=V0GHVEKrhng) ... or read this post (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2166#51675) and subsequent discussion from an Online Opinion forum on “9/11 Truth” and then try to convince yourself that the ‘collapse’ of World Trade Center Tower 7 on 11 September 2001 was not a controlled demolition.

See also http://911oz.com http://911truth.org http://911blogger.com http://patriotsquestion911.com etc

It is well understood the fundamentalist Islamic political movement of the late 20th and early 21st centuries is largely a creation of the US, set up to fight the left-wing government which came to power in Afghanistan in 1978. It is known that Osama bin Laden the alleged perpetrator of the September 11 attack was an asset of the CIA at least until July 2001 when he was met in the American Hospital in Dubai by the CIA station chief, whilst undergoing kidney dialysis treatment. (see "The CIA met Bin Laden while undergoing treatment at an American Hospital last July in Dubai" at http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html )

I suggest readers open their minds to the possibility that the Mumbai attacks were also a ‘false flag’ operation.

The Mumbai attack is discussed, amongst other places at
http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2008/11/double-cover-1-nothing-can-ever-be-same.html
http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2008/11/double-cover-2-what-is-commando-raid.html
http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2008/11/double-cover-3-what-is-false-flag.html
http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2008/12/double-cover-4-beyond-ridiculous.html .
http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2008/12/double-cover-5-lining-up-suspects.html
Posted by daggett, Monday, 15 December 2008 11:36:02 AM
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Well, what can possibly be added to daggett's superb response to such an incisive piece?

I think they deserve each other.

But I did notice that the author is "a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace."

No doubt closely affiliated to Orwell's Ministry of Peace.

What I find really difficult to understand is why so many "institutes" of this nature are determined to blow Islamic terrorism into a worldwide conspiracy.

My guess is that unless they build the threat to a certain critical mass, no-one will give them the time of day.

This is evident in such throwaway lines as...

>>Such violence is emphatically not directed at remedying the grievances of India’s Muslims or resolving the dispute over Kashmir.<<

Sez who?

Lashkar-e-Taiba has been active for fifteen years, and according to the Anti-Defamation League "seeks to drive out Indian security forces from the disputed Jammu and Kashmir regions of South Asia and establish an Islamic caliphate."

ADL is not particularly well-disposed towards Islamic terrorists, but makes no grandiose global claims for this particular set of nasties.

Another "look out, the mozzies 'll get you" piece.

They are becoming increasingly hysterical.

I reckon it's because they feed off each other.

They'll all end up like those poor cows who contracted BSE through eating their colleagues' brains.

Mad Commentators' Disease.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 15 December 2008 12:13:55 PM
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Welllll... now we have it all....

Dagget's incisive piece... his brilliant anaylysis of 20th hand blogists, and his amazing grasp of 50th hand information..

Thanx Dagget..I was wondering who did all this and now ..I rest in the knowledge that it was... "US" ourselves. Cooool.

That's one extreme.

Then we have our other resident apologist.. seeking to posture himself as the epitomy of balance... more wonderful words of wisdom from him....

From Delicate Daggets post though.. I never cease to wonder what he hopes to achieve..

1/ What the heck can we do about all his allegations?
2/ Who/What does he offer as a replacement for it all?

DAGGET.. it's about time again that you took off you'e Bat Pilger suit from the local fancy dress supplier and TOLD US who you are in fact promoting here (besides yourself)?

Let's have it in point form.

Daggets Declaration:

I Dagget.. hereby offer "fill-in-the-blank" as the solution to world peace and harmony!

You all know by now where to look for the ideological source of such attacks IF....they are conclusively proven to be from LeT.

If they do, it simply underlines the core truth that if such fanaticism becomes contagious to Australian Muslims we would see the same kind of thing.. OH WAIT.. it did... and some are already convicted and others are on trial.

Silly me.
Posted by Polycarp, Monday, 15 December 2008 1:38:17 PM
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The terrorists who attacked Mumbai and all Islamist fanatics not only have a “global agenda” but a godly one as well which makes them extremely dangerous as they pursue their eschatological goal. As the Bush administration with all its faults declared early on, this will be a long war and a most dangerous one as the terrorists over time have the great potential to develop the know-how and technological capacity to use weapons of mass destruction and even nuclear ones, and their increasing ability to acquire them, which they will employ against the infidels of the West with fanatical glee.

No “Periclean” cynicism and “smart Aleck” political analyses and “stealing the act” in vaudevillian political plays can negate the fact that the West and America are engaged with an irreconcilable and deadly enemy whom only defeat on a global scale can salvage Western civilization from the attacks of these witless godly inspired fanatics.

http://civcontraislam.typepad.com
Posted by Themistocles, Monday, 15 December 2008 5:34:20 PM
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I feel like upsetting the lot of you. Daggett by name, inclination, habit and reputation. Only someone like you could take any notice of the crap produced by Global Research. I read stuff from the extreme left - the barking mad variety - through to the lunar right and they are so wrapped up in their own conspiracies they can't see the wood for the trees. There is a sad sack that writes for global research who has written 13 or 14 books, possibly 16 and goodness knows how many articles on how 9/11 was a fake! Tell that to the families of victims.

For a change, I'm pleased to see some sanity creeping into online opinion when it comes to terrorism. In particular, Mr. Greg Barns could learn a great deal from reading the work of Prof. Tellis, especially as he appears to believe that there is no one qualified to talk about the terrorist threat in this country. Apart from his eulogising a certain Indian doctor detained under admittedly harsh antiterrorist laws, has he ever stop to think what if he had been wrong?
Posted by Thanatos, Monday, 15 December 2008 6:53:38 PM
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‘Pericles’,

What a disappointment ‘Pericles’. You have used the name ‘Pericles’ but no where have you come near to taking on the mantle of the legendary statesman. Perhaps you should try a name like MOHAMMAD GOEBBELS Bin Laden.
Posted by Philip Tang, Monday, 15 December 2008 9:14:02 PM
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Thanatos wrote, "Only someone like you could take any notice of the crap produced by Global Research."

Those who question the US Government's explanation of the September 11 attacks or reject it outright are listed at
http://www.911truthgroups.org/911Truth101/Step2ProminentSupporters/tabid/633/Default.aspx

These include:

Col Robert Bowman (ret), Caltech PhD in aeronautics and nuclear engineering, Former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development - U.S. Air Force (Star Wars program) under President Reagan;

Ray McGovern, Former CIA Intelligence Advisor to Reagan and George HW Bush and founder of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity;

Senator Mark Dayton – Senate Committee on Armed Services, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Services.

Kevin Ryan, former Department Head at UL (Underwriter Laboratories) company which certified the steel which went into the World Trade Center buildings at construction, and inspected it after the WTC collapses in 2001;

Paul Craig Roberts, Former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal;

The Honourable Paul Hellyer, Former Canadian National Defense Minister;

David Shayler, Former MI-6 British Counter Intelligence Officer;

Sibel Edmonds, FBI interpreter (under a gag order not to release info damaging to US Business and Government Officials);

Morgan Reynolds, Chief Economist in GW Bush administration;

Andreas von Buelow, former German Defense Minister;

Senator Max Cleland, former 9/11 Commissioner;

Edward L. Peck – Former Deputy Director, White House Task Force on Terrorism. Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the State Department. U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq.

Morton Goulder – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Warning under Presidents Nixon, Ford, and Carter.

USAF Col. George Nelson (Ret), Aircraft crash investigation authority;

Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project

USAF Col. Don de Grand-Pre (Ret), Former chief Pentagon arms negotiator for the Middle East;

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Chief of the Army’s Controlled HUMINT (Human Intelligence) Program, A former member of the ABLE DANGER effort to target Al Qaeda’s global structure.

Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer ...(tobecontinued)
Posted by daggett, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 8:21:35 AM
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(continuedfromabove)... in the Office of the Secretary of Defense

Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – former Commanding General of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command

Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency. Former military attaché in China. 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence.

William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis

Major Scott Ritter, U.S. Marine Corps – Former Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq.

Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer

Melvin A. Goodman – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CI

William Rodriguez, (acknowledged hero and last man out of the north tower);

Robert David Steele – Co-founder of U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence Command

Bogdan Dzakovic – 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the FAA

Daniel Ellsberg, Former Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense (ISA), DOD

General Leonid Ivashov, Former Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces, and chief of the department for General affairs in the Soviet Union 's ministry of Defense;

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Thanatos, "Tell that to the families of victims."

It is victims of the September 11 atrocity who are the principle supprters and drivers of the 9/11 Truth. These include the "Jersey Girls" Kristen Breitweiser, Laurie Van Auken, Patty Casaza and Mindy Kleinber, who lost husbands on that day.

They forced the Bush administration to hold the 9/11 Commission, but more than half the questions asked the commission remain unanswered (Barrie Zwicker "Towers of Deception", 2006, page 93)

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BTW, in 2004 Barrie Zwicker created an excellent documentary on the 9/11 'false flag' attack: "The Great Conspiracy" (1hr 10 minutes) at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623

The pdf transcript is at http://www.greatconspiracy.ca/pdfs/TGC_transcript_GOIssue9.pdf

See also Colonel Robert Bowman USAF (ret) in broadcast "I call it Treason" at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4976139611627220171
Posted by daggett, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 1:06:25 PM
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After each attack, we will hear almost the same exact words from Muslims and their "see no evil" liberal friends, telling us that the terrorists are either not really Muslims (or another of 27 other common excuses) or that it was the evil people at (insert name of favorite conspiracy here). They believe the West and ISrael are evil and that is that.

After the murder of men women and children in Mumbai, we find things like this in the Pakistani media: Tehrik Taliban Pakistan is known to have connections with American CIA, Indian RAW and operating to further American plan to destablise Pakistan. Even if someone in Mumbai attacks is a Pakistani, there are chances that these elements are working for American CIA. Every Pakistani has condemned these cowardly attacks. We believe that Mumbai attacks were designed to some forces which want to derail the peace process.
http://islamabadobserver.wo...

At Harry’s Place, an English blog, a journalist tells of the strange mentality encountered while participating on a Talk Show directed at Muslims in the UK (Ummah talk): What ensued on Ummah Talk was nothing short of farcical. The host and my co-panelist attempted to wrestle me into a preposterous discussion of conspiracy theories. In their view, the attacks were just as likely to have been the work of the Indian intelligence services or Hindu militants as that of Pakistan-backed terrorists. My protestations about evidence (and the lack thereof) were ignored because all their pointless conjecture was, in fact, very pointed at a single argument: Islamist terrorism is an exaggerated fiction, no more serious than any other kind of political violence.
http://www.hurryupharry.org...

These are the kind of people that would stand on a pile of bodies freshly murder by bearded young men named Mohammad yelling "Allahu Akbar" and tell us it was the Jews or the CIA. Pathetic.

We will see more of these attacks. This is called jihad and you, me, your family and all of us are targets. Don't expect "moderate" Muslims to stop this because they, by their denial, contribute to the evil that is to come.

Kactuz
Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 2:26:08 PM
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Talk it up all you like, kactuz, the fact still remains that these are terrorists, not armies.

>>We will see more of these attacks. This is called jihad and you, me, your family and all of us are targets.<<

I haven't the faintest idea why you feel it is necessary to share your fear so aggressively, but that is all that you are doing. The conspiracies are all in your head.

I am not a target, you are not a target, your family is not a target, except in the loosest of all senses, a random victim of a terrorist attack.

It may simply be that you have never experienced religion-based terrorist attacks before. Fear of the unknown is after all the most powerful of all. But anyone who carried on working while the IRA bombed pubs, shops and tube trains will tell you that - while individual attacks are deadly, killing and maiming innocent people - they are at the end of the day carried out by nothing more than a bunch of really nasty people who believe their ideals transcend morality.

>>These are the kind of people that would stand on a pile of bodies freshly murder by bearded young men named Mohammad yelling "Allahu Akbar" and tell us it was the Jews or the CIA. Pathetic.<<

Nobody makes legitimate excuses for terrorism. I certainly haven't seen any here. What you are doing is the age-old game of "anyone who disagrees with me is a cowardly leftist liberal appeaser", which - while it might give you a warm glow of righteousness for a few minutes before it turns wet and cold - doesn't actually mean anything.

And many thanks Philip Tang, I shall treasure this one:

>>Perhaps you should try a name like MOHAMMAD GOEBBELS Bin Laden<<

Hmmmmm. Has a nice ring to it.

Shows originality, style, precision. Perfect.

Does this mean that you disagree with me?
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 3:48:49 PM
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THANATOS.. When is the funeral ? :)

I liked your handling of poor silly dagget.. I hate to venture close to deliberate ad hominen..but dagget.. your writing betrays what might be called a terminal disease of the mind.... I don't know the name of it,but self hate might be a beginning...

I've seen some of those 'credible notable names' you listed.. the same ones who come out of the woodwork in the Oklahoma bombing event.. they do 2 things:

1/ Claim VASSSSSST experience in their field.. in which of course they are an 'expert' of messianic proportions.

2/ DENYYYYYy the clear facts when they are proven WRONG..by scientific, independant controlled studies.

You just make ur self look a dill with all that tripe you trot out.

I'll totally agree that bad things have been done.. false flag operations have occurred... but those which I know of... the 'Gulf of Tonkin' one for example.. are quite provable... and the conclusion does not rest on idle empty speculation and arguments from silence as most of the rubbish you present here does.

Thermistocles.. well said mate.

Pericles.. no matter how much of a battering you get here... please don't leave :)
Posted by Polycarp, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 5:25:22 PM
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A useful introduction as to how Western intelligence agencies can and have used deluded patsies to carry out 'false flag' terrorist attacks on their behalf is "Webster Tarpley - False-Flag Operational Structure Explained" (3 min 10 sec) at http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=QykP6V0lyok

If the Mumbai attack was a 'false flag' operation, then similar means would have been employed.

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Polycarp, what is the basis for stating that all those names I listed from http://www.911truthgroups.org/911Truth101/Step2ProminentSupporters/tabid/633/Default.aspx who dispute the Official 9/11 Conspiricay Theory are "the same ones who come out of the woodwork in the Oklahoma bombing"?

Could you explain specifically why you don't consider any of those listed, in particular, former members of the US armed forces and intelligence agencies, to be credible?

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It seems that people will have to look very hard in Polycarp's post to find why he accepts the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Terrorist attacks and why he rejects the case of the 9/11 Truth movement.

Polycarp, do you suppose you could go to the "9/11 Truth" forum at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2166#51675 and (preferably without including further ad homonym attacks) explain why you think we are wrong?
Posted by daggett, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 1:17:22 PM
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"Pericles"

On hindsight, to 'MOHAMMAD GOEBBELS Bin Laden' should be added the name MUGABE to become MOHAMMAD GOEBBELS MUGABE Bin Laden.

GOEBBELS because you're the most worthy spin-doctor to replace him when he committed suicide.

MUGABE not because you are a promising revolutionary or statesman, but because like Mugabe is mule-headed, bull-headed, in a mental state of denial, not being able to perceive realities going round him.

MOHAMMAD Bin Laden because you're an apologist for the Islamists.

Have a good Christmas, ...sorry a good Ramadan, Eid, Hajj or something like that
Posted by Philip Tang, Friday, 19 December 2008 10:54:04 AM
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http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2008/12/is-pakistan-to-blame.html

The fact that the Indian government is accusing Pakistan is taken with a grain of salt as this is not the first time the Indian government has blamed Pakistan, only to find later that Pakistan had nothing to do with the violence it was being accused of. Interestingly, four times previously the Indian government falsely accused Lashkare Taiba directly as the organization sponsoring violent incidents in India, and Pakistan indirectly for harbouring the militant group, although Pakistan officially banned the outfit in 2002.

In each of the incidents, namely, the Chattisinghpura massacre, the attack on the Indian Parliament on 13 December 2001, the Malagaon blasts and the Samjhota Express incident, investigations were either refused or revealed that neither Lashkare Taiba nor Pakistan but groups from within India were responsible. In the Chattisinghpura incident, for example, on 20 March 2000, one day before President Bill Clinton was due to arrive in India, 35 Sikhs were killed in the village of Chattisinghpura. It was said that about 15 uniformed men belonging to Lashkare Taiba and trained in Pakistan were responsible. Five days later, five men were killed by paramilitary forces in a village called Pathribal, claiming that the “foreign militants” responsible for the Sikh massacre had been found and duly eliminated. When local village people protested, investigations began. When the final results of the investigation were made public, it was found that local police were responsible for the massacre of the Sikhs.

The Samjhota Express incident is more disconcerting, ... Four months later, investigations revealed that neither Rana nor Lashkare Taiba but a serving lieutenant colonel of the Indian army, Lt. Col. Purohit was responsible for the attack. Purohit, it was found, had links with Hindu militant groups and provided training to extremists.

For Pakistan, the most troubling aspect of the 26 November 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai is the fact that the three brave men who had been tasked with finalizing the findings of both the Samjhota Express incident and the Malegaon blasts linking Lt. Col. Purohit conclusively to the terrorist attacks were all killed.

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Posted by daggett, Friday, 19 December 2008 3:09:36 PM
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Here's some more stories:

"Role of Alleged CIA Asset in Mumbai Attacks Being Downplayed" of 11 Dec 08 by Jeremy R. Hammond at http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2008/12/role-of-alleged-cia-asset-in-mumbai.html

"The Tailor of Mumbai" of 23 Dec 08 by Jeff Huber at http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2008/12/tailor-of-mumbai.html

"The Mumbai enigma" of 20 Dec 08 by Jeremy R. Hammond at http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2008/12/mumbai-enigma.html

I haven't read them myself so I can't vouch for them.
Posted by daggett, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:24:24 AM
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