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Mumbai's melting pot gives way to forces of intolerance : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 3/12/2008

'The fact of the matter is you have Hindus who are terrorists. You have Muslims who are terrorists. You also have Christians who are terrorists.'

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An interesting perspective, Irfan, but I'm not sure it will get much traction with most Australians.

Hindu and Christian extremism are simply not considered a threat in Australia. Hindu violence is mostly confined to targets in India, and while there are extreme Christians in Australia, they are generally not violent.

The only type of religious violence that Australians would think of as targeting them in particular is that of Islamic extremism, so that's the one we automatically focus on (and fear).

And now I'll leave before the usual suspects start posting.

Cheers,

Rhys.
Posted by Rhys Probert, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 9:38:30 AM
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I wondered, no offence, who are these christians who are terrorists?
Who have you been listening to young Irfan?

Christians come in one category, or they are not christians.
That category is as followers of Jesus Christ.
We arent sword swingers as are many Islamics.

Jesus said to "enter heaven you must be born again"...John 3:3.
That means, we invite in, in prayer Jesus as our Lord and Saviour and receive what He did on the Cross with His Shed Blood... and then we receive The Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit keeps us on a narrow path indeed.
No violence is that path.

Is it not so that Islam has a global conquest plan that quietly works day and night to 'displace' all national governments and all beliefs to bring them all under the Allah/Mohammed/Koran banner?

I apologise again for any offence but many of us do know the plan and those who write in support that plan.
In 26years as a born again christian Ive never met a bomb thrower, or a machinegunner, or a subversive-to-democratic government man or woman, or a wife persecuter, or an honour killer...
Theres none of those in the committed christian camp.
Posted by Gibo, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 11:12:54 AM
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i.e. the hard line jews waged an on going terror campaign against the transplanted poms before they were finally rid of them. Militarily, if U won't fight man to man and want to hide inside a uranium plated tank, then they will strike u where they can. Politically it says, do not vote for people who send planes with ionising weapons to lay waste to our villages, defile our environment and mutate our children for generations to come.

The terrorism inflicted by the anglo/n.americans on civilian populations is largely hidden by the political slime in the media.

And as the people are one eyed and rush to judgment when only provided half of the story, they continue to vote for war criminals of the red and blue variety who hide their evil deeds and only show the attrocities of the hard line Muslims, which is used in turn to further justify their ongoing illegal war of occupation.

And why do they want this? War is an expensive business is it not? Well, some commentators suggest geo political control and others this plus a significant share of the vast fossil fuel reserves.

So, the Ruskies and the Red Chinese arm the Iranians who in turn arm the fighters from Iraq to Afghanistan.

It makes for a very profitable business for the military industrial complex who make money hand over fist and along with their slimey fossil fuel mates, in turn donate to those of the red and blue political persuasion who will commit to the ongoing fighting.

anglo/n.americans elevated saddam, & armed him with BIO WMD's, not hard line Islamists.

And the n.americans trained Osama et al.

And, when even some of the generals came out and said in advance, "but we completely disarmed saddam post GW1," the media continued to beat the b.s. story drum to frighten morons into voting for blair, bush and howard.

No, in Australia, u don't have to scratch too deep to get some people shooting the Original Australians.
Posted by DreamOn, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 11:48:14 AM
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Those who support terrorism and terrorists reflect a set of characteristics which are incompatible with democratic values.

It does not matter the source and passion of the terrorist fervor nor the belief of the terrorist in the righteousness of his cause.

What does matter is a terrorist is prepared to put his personally held values above those who might dissent with his view.

Gibo “who are these christians who are terrorists?”

I can suggest IRA, who had links and finance from Libya’s President Gaddafi.

The US seems to suffer a lot of home grown “terrorists-in-all-but-action” with their fundamentalist sects and the extremist militias who like to play war games in the woods.

Representing the Jewish faith, one of the founding fathers of modern Israel, Menachin Begin was, at one time a listed terrorist.

Religion alone does not make a terrorist but a lot of terrorists with allegiance to a single religion, unfortunately cast the shadow of suspicion over the moderate followers of that faith. Then it becomes a responsibility for those moderates to standup, separate and isolate themselves from the terrorists who act in their religions name.

We must not shrink from applying the most extreme possible options and resolutions when dealing with those who support terrorism in any form.

In short when it comes down to the wire, in dealing with someone intent on murdering others, the effective option is to kill them first.
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 12:02:50 PM
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Gibo you are wrong, the Christian terrorists would include George Bush, Rice, Cheney and others , John Howard, Alexander Downer and others, Tony Blair and others, all of these either talk to their Christian god every day or go to church and pray to the same God, indirectly they have killed more people than any terrorist, the Christian religion is no better than any other, people tend to look one way only, there are two sides to every story, but you only read the story the press want you to read.
Posted by Ojnab, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 1:23:41 PM
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SORRY Irfy.. you are wrong.

1/ You can and do have Hindu's who are terrorrists.... in fact they are hunting down and persecuting Christians in Orissa province now. I'm not aware of any conflict between Hindu holy writ and acting like that against non Hindu's..but I'll appreciate anyone showing me such.

2/ You can have Muslim terrorists, and they have just caused an unspeakably evil massacre of innocent people in India/Mumbai.. in complete accordance with..but not remotely on the scale of, that done by their own so called prophet..and in complete accordance with Islamic holy writ, properly interpreted.

3/ You canNOT have 'Christian' terrorists. Such a term is an oxymoron.
You can only have 'people calling themselves' Christian who might perpetrate evil and terror.

The reason is simple.. 'CHRISTian'... is a name for those who follow Christ..NOT for those who do NOT follow Him.
So.. if language and reason mean anything.... and Jesus said "Those who live by the sword will die by the sword" and "as the Father sent me, so I send you"....and many other statements of that nature.. it is clear that there is no such thing as a 'Christian' terrorist.

When discussing the IRA and other such alleged 'Christian' groups, one needs to do 2 things.

1/ Determine their true agenda. (Criminal/Political/Religious?)
2/ Compare and contrast them..with JESUS...

If they fail the Jesus test..they are NOT Christian and no amount of repeating such a thing will change that.

Please.. don't look at Christianity in 'cultural' terms. It is invalid.
Posted by Polycarp, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 1:52:22 PM
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