CJ stated:

"However, my main objection to this 'Net Nanny' stuff remains my commitment to freedom of speech and expression."

I agree, but with some misgiving; I despair at the thought of teenage children learning about sex via the depiction of women being humiliated by males (and vice versa - but that seems to be rare), suffice to say that I find humiliation of any creature offensive. To counter the psychological impact of such I can only repeat that education is the key. Full understanding of ourselves as sexual beings enable us to distinguish between what is erotic and what is nothing less than exploitation. Although where that line is many would disagree; I have no problems with Bill Hensons but I do with child porn which is rightly illegal.

"One problem for the Government is that blocking child porn may unintentionally block acceptable sites.

The history of the internet is full of such examples; one blogger found that, due to spamware set to block ads for sex drug Cialis, he was unable to publish the word "socialist".

Another problem, according to civil libertarians, is that policing the net should be left to parents - not a big brother-style bureaucracy.

And, if it is disingenuous to compare Labor's policy to China's malevolent control over web access to its citizens, it is equally disingenuous of Rudd's Government to claim the issue simply relates to child pornography.

There are genuine concerns that the Government - backed by morals groups like Family First - will in time extend the powers outside of their intended target area.

Also of concern is that, under the Government's plan, users would be permitted to "opt out" of the scheme - and might therefore find themselves listed as possible deviants.

.... Besides, what evidence is there that young children using the web are regularly stumbling across child pornography?

Sites used by paedophiles are well hidden and frequently relocated to avoid detection.

On a practical level, ISPs fear the mass blocking of sites could slow internet speeds and cost millions of dollars to implement."

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,22997280-15306,00.html

Fractelle>"I agree, but with some misgiving; I despair at the thought of teenage children learning about sex via the depiction of women being humiliated by males (and vice versa - but that seems to be rare), suffice to say that I find humiliation of any creature offensive"

You are mischaracterising it. Many women enjoy submissive roles. They do not feel humiliated at all and if they do it's there own choice.

Stop spreading psychologist activist propaganda.

You do not know how men see women nor how these women react, you do not speak for either these women and men them and how DARE you presume to.

Oh the horror, Steel has found me out:

Expressing an Opinion while being female.

On a website called On Line Opinion no less. Uppity women!

How remiss of me, I'd better unlace my docs immediately and head straight to the kitchen. Before Steel's head explodes - thinking is clearly painful for him.

Yeah Fractelle - how DARE you!

Shame on you for not being one of those women that Steel apparently knows who "enjoy submissive roles".

And "Stop spreading psychologist activist propaganda".

CJ, Fractelle, Steel,

I too have yet to make the acquaintance of one of these submissive females. Not that I am complaining, I like them how they are. But it does raise a point ...

Fractelle: "I despair at the thought of teenage children learning about sex via the depiction of women being humiliated by males (and vice versa - but that seems to be rare)"

I thought a powerful man being tied up and whipped in a bordello was almost a cliche. You'd think it was common place how often you see it in mainstream movies. (After writing that a vision of GW Bush tied up in leather crosses my mind, and my imagination is stretched beyond breaking point. No wait, it could be worse, it could be Cheney ...)

I wouldn't worry about what boys learn from porn. Whatever they pick up, it is bound to have a more solid basis in reality than their most common source of information on girls and sex - the bragging of their mates. And regardless of what they learn, I can assure you that unless they happen across one of those rare submissive females, the first girl they meet will bring them back to reality with a thud.

Which means all the hand wringing by you girls here is over the top, doesn't it? After the tongue lashing we have just received here, you don't really expect us to believe any husband would be game to step too far out of line in the bedroom - regardless of how good it looked in the magazine. There would be hell to pay at the time. Eventually our transgression would be forgiven, but we all know full well it would never be forgotten.

And now you are smiling, because you know this is sooo true.

Fractelle>"Expressing an Opinion while being..."

You are focussing on your gender too much Fractelle. I only mentioned it because you presume to know the psychology of the individuals involved, both men and women. Even I know that women have a variety of standards and tastes, so why put words into their mouths?

CJMorgan, even though she does a lousy job, Fractelle doesn't need you to quote my accurate words back at her. If you have no opinion other than to play games maybe you should be quiet.

Fractelle's recital *is* feminist/psychologist propaganda that we see all the time. maybe i've read more widely than you, but the idea is obviously fraudulent as it makes blanket assumptions about the actors involved! There is a bad strain of political debate in this country that is truly damaging it and making it a whole lot worse rather than better. We can see this with the government isp filter, that would make Australia comparable to some of the most oppressive regimes in the world...no western government has tried to impose a solution that is so open to abuse... This is happening for a reason! And it's because *everyone* is buying into the media attacks and manipulations of people like MTR, who appear to have strong Catholic/religious motivations and connections (that are deliberately hidden-check her profile on OLO) and Hamilton.

Feminism used to be about female empowerment. Now it's about control of women. Women freely expressing themselves are now the "sluts", feminists used to defend and champion. Feminists advocate the same kind of policies as Muslims and Christians: too much sexualisation, not enough clothing. This is why you find posters like runner and Gibo openly endorsing MTR.